Quote from: cWj on April 18, 2016, 10:03:05 AM
"Gladius (crappier redesigned SV650)"

(sigh)

The new SV650 is a redesigned Gladius.

That is not a bad thing, as actual reviews of the bike show it wasn't a bad bike - the SFV650 was just priced too high as an alternative in markets that no longer got the SV650. It suffered from questionable marketing aimed at the style-conscious and, in general, went a bit overboard being a Japanese take on the Monster (which the SV has always been).

The visual redesign of the SFV largely mimics what customers tended to remove from the bike. In particular, I feel the round headlight does a lot for it.

I ride bicycles and in the world the term "steel is real" is well-known. There are people that swear aluminum is better, others prefer they're alloys to be steel. They each have their advantages. Ride it or don't - but why judge without riding it?

There was no frame material "bait-and-switch". It has always stated right in the specs what it's made out of.

If the UK prices are an indicator, the '17 SV650 will undercut the competition in its segment and thereby regain the perceived value missing from the SFV (which should never have been a $8k bike).

If I can find a ride day around NY/NJ, I plan to try one. I don't really care to purchase new, but the '17 SV has some good things going for it.

I always wonder why people intentionally take an opposing side. This happens a lot on forums. There'll be a discussion, everyone will be in agreement, and then that one person will come in. This person will interject their opinion about everyone else's opinion, and then act like they are above it all. Is it because they need attention? Is it because they enjoy feeling at odds with everyone else?

Nothing wrong with a devil's advocate. I'm sure we all get a little too far up our own butt's some times. I do agree it probably could've been handled with a little more tact. In the end, they did give another point of view. Nothing good about an echo chamber.

Quote from: Iarn on April 19, 2016, 04:20:41 AM
Nothing wrong with a devil's advocate. I'm sure we all get a little too far up our own butt's some times. I do agree it probably could've been handled with a little more tact. In the end, they did give another point of view. Nothing good about an echo chamber.

Tact is everything, especially when the method of communication is as ambiguous as text. That sounds a bit like an oxymoron, but think about the lack of inflection that can leave a lot of room for interpretation.

With Suzuki's crappy quality control issues - any one has a rusty GS here any one ?
I wont t-rust them 1 bit .... heee heee ...

Cool.
Buddha.

Pfft. .. fz07 is just for the pansies who can't handle the 09!

Quote from: The Buddha on April 19, 2016, 03:03:30 PM
With Suzuki's crappy quality control issues - any one has a rusty GS here any one ?
I wont t-rust them 1 bit .... heee heee ...

Cool.
Buddha.

Rusty GS? I thought that was the standard from-factory coating? 

Okay, back on topic. So, apart from the name SV650... nobody here would have any love from the bike separate from that? I think it looks awesome and the specs look nice. Of course I'm waiting for them out on that showroom floor so I can test ride one. Can't wait for that.

Yea Suzuki put rust on the GS standard @ no charge.
And Kawasaki did the same with their EX650 twin. Which IMHO makes a better bike all around than the SV, V twins aren't the best design, 2 cam shafts, 2 heads, 2 of everything and yea its narrow, but somehow the EX650 isn't that much wider. Yea yea secondary balance etc etc, but you can have a 90 degree crank in a parallel engine and still get that aspect.

Sorry, but Suzuki killed a great bike in the SV650, tried to sub this second rate POS, and killed the GS with just forgetting to make it, and killed a SV1000 but kept making the Vstrom 1000 which has most of the parts as the SV1K all in the same year.

Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: Rallyfan on April 18, 2016, 05:15:44 PM

Quote from: Kijona on April 18, 2016, 03:06:11 AM

Quote from: Rallyfan on April 18, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
I commute. My next bike will be fuel injected, and have a full fairing.

Whether it's going to be a Suzuki is up to Suzuki at this point... I'd not buy the naked new SV though, it's not reasonable for me without a fairing.

GSX650F?

Something like that, maybe. A CB750F would be nice but it doesn't exist.

Well if you can stomach 4 carburetors, the Katana 750 would be "something like that". Bar none, the most comfortable stock seat in existence.

Otherwise, the GSX650 would be nice too. They're basically the same thing as a Katana, just modernized. I would love to own one.

Staying with new bikes. As a GS500 replacement, the 2015 on Yamaha MT03 naked is a little ripper. Very tempted, I am.

It's too small for me. I want a full size fuel injected bike with decent torque and good fuel economy but also light and nimble. Oh, and cheap to insure. And reliable. And cool looking. And I want to drive it to free all you can eat sushi buffets and to the corner store so I can buy the winning lottery ticket.

Quote from: Rallyfan on April 30, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
It's too small for me. I want a full size fuel injected bike with decent torque and good fuel economy but also light and nimble. Oh, and cheap to insure. And reliable. And cool looking. And I want to drive it to free all you can eat sushi buffets and to the corner store so I can buy the winning lottery ticket.

Wait a minute... You had me going there for a moment. 

Changing my life, changing the way I treat others and how I maintain my bike and what I do day to day -- those things are difficult.

Drinking is easy.

And optimism is free!

Monster 696 or 821?

What seems like a side note at this point...pricing has been released on the new SV.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-suzuki-sv650-and-sv650-abs-pricing-and-availability-announced

I'm planning to go into my dealershit and ask them for the SV650R model. R for Rust.
I'll tell them I need it to match my FZ6R model.
Cool.
Buddha.

Quote from: rscottlow on May 10, 2016, 10:34:18 AM
What seems like a side note at this point...pricing has been released on the new SV.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-suzuki-sv650-and-sv650-abs-pricing-and-availability-announced

I think I'd pay a bit more and get a Honda 650 instead honestly.

Quote from: Rallyfan on May 12, 2016, 02:27:19 PM

Quote from: rscottlow on May 10, 2016, 10:34:18 AM
What seems like a side note at this point...pricing has been released on the new SV.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2017-suzuki-sv650-and-sv650-abs-pricing-and-availability-announced

I think I'd pay a bit more and get a Honda 650 instead honestly.

I'd take the Ninja 650. Parallel twin and the same crappy steel frame, and its actually so narrow compared to the sv.
Cool.
Buddha.

The "for just a bit more" thing is dangerous because for a little more than that there's used VFR800s and I like those bikes... Of course, if I keep that "logic" up and keep adding "a bit more" I've now gone from a GS500F to a Bimota.

I really wish my GS had fuel injection...

$6,999 USD for non-ABS and $7,500 USD for ABS? That is disappointing. They are never going to sell many SV's at that price. Might sell some from the old clout the model used to have, but not much beyond that. A real shame, too. Suzuki has such old tech on all their rides, they can't go around charging the same price as Kawasaki Ninja's and whatnot.  Who is running that company these days? Seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot too often.

The new SV may be the absolute best $6K bike in the world, and the only $6K bike that sells for $7K...