I haven't owned an SV650, only drooled extensively.. but the new one just doesn't look like an SV650 to me. Without that signature frame it just looks kind of... generic.

Laverda  prototyped a bike using the Suzuki twin. That would have been a great looking frame.  I don't think it materialized though.

Quote from: Rallyfan on May 14, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
The "for just a bit more" thing is dangerous because for a little more than that there's used VFR800s and I like those bikes... Of course, if I keep that "logic" up and keep adding "a bit more" I've now gone from a GS500F to a Bimota.

I really wish my GS had fuel injection...

Oh gawd the VFR 800 is another disaster, that brilliant frame that ends at the rear motor mount and the swingarm that only goes through the engine, yea retarded. Don't ever run over anything big, like a pothole. You may get an oil leak. The VTR1000 which originated that design was far worse though, the extra width and heft of the VFR motor helps it from cracking the cases that easy. VTR1000 it used to happen. I have heard of a few cases back in the late 90's.

I really wish the GS had belt drive and 15" rear wheel. Cheaper commuter and cleaner looks.

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Quote from: Tekime on May 14, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I haven't owned an SV650, only drooled extensively.. but the new one just doesn't look like an SV650 to me. Without that signature frame it just looks kind of... generic.

No once it rusts it looks great. Classic Suzuki finish. People will know you came from the GS and upgraded to the SV. 

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BTW The svportal and svrider forum as well as this one are the world biggest congregants of potential SV customers.
They SV sites trashed the Gheydius before its launch in 08-09.
That was what IMHO resulted in the market failure of the Gheydius.
The Gheydius is the new SV ... yea we all know, sorry.

If Suzuki didn't lurk on these sites and didn't consider what they were saying before building the "new and improved SV" - they are stupid and they could care less about their customers - and that is before the sale.

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Quote from: The Buddha on May 16, 2016, 07:09:08 AM

Quote from: Tekime on May 14, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I haven't owned an SV650, only drooled extensively.. but the new one just doesn't look like an SV650 to me. Without that signature frame it just looks kind of... generic.

No once it rusts it looks great. Classic Suzuki finish. People will know you came from the GS and upgraded to the SV. 

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The greatest part is you can harvest the rust each season, comes in handy for lots of stuff like making your own toothpaste or a good steak seasoning.

IMHO, Kawasaki already beat them to the punch, by many eons in fact.
In 87 kawi introduces the EX500. Fine we hate it, but the rest of the world fell Head over heels for it.
Then they drop the EX650, and the versys in 03 or 04. Fine Suzuki has the SV650 and the V-Strom and its holding it together well, but then in 08 they drop the SV 1k, and they make the 1000 cc V-strom which is generally a low production bike anyway, and the 650 is neglected in favor of the Gheydius ... and they forget to make the GS500.

Sorry, those bean counters are counting beans with their head so far up their A$$$e$ I think they count their own eyeballs as beans.

The replacement for the SV should have kept the SV's frame, but swapped the Vtwin for 2 cyls of the busa. Exactly the way they did the GS. And they should have kept the GS in production. Or introduced the 01-02 naked as an option for a lower $$$.

I dunno, I think I ened to get a ER650 next and see.
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Quote from: The Buddha on May 17, 2016, 07:19:57 AM
IMHO, Kawasaki already beat them to the punch, by many eons in fact.
In 87 kawi introduces the EX500. Fine we hate it, but the rest of the world fell Head over heels for it.
Then they drop the EX650, and the versys in 03 or 04. Fine Suzuki has the SV650 and the V-Strom and its holding it together well, but then in 08 they drop the SV 1k, and they make the 1000 cc V-strom which is generally a low production bike anyway, and the 650 is neglected in favor of the Gheydius ... and they forget to make the GS500.

Sorry, those bean counters are counting beans with their head so far up their A$$$e$ I think they count their own eyeballs as beans.

The replacement for the SV should have kept the SV's frame, but swapped the Vtwin for 2 cyls of the busa. Exactly the way they did the GS. And they should have kept the GS in production. Or introduced the 01-02 naked as an option for a lower $$$.

I dunno, I think I ened to get a ER650 next and see.
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I'll have to [slightly] disagree Buddha, the 90° V-Twin is what made the SV such an amazing bike (apart from the gen1 frame and those Mikuni carbs).

Quote from: Kijona on May 25, 2016, 01:37:35 PM

I'll have to [slightly] disagree Buddha, the 90° V-Twin is what made the SV such an amazing bike (apart from the gen1 frame and those Mikuni carbs).

Parallel twins are far cheaper to make and a much sounder design. Just to make that primary balance point moot, they could have put a 90 degree crank in it. Like we do with those xs650's all the time.
Cutting cost from the previous SV, they should have gone to a parallel twin, and not a steel frame.

The bike would have to have been called a GS650 then. Or a GR650 LOL.

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