Read this story--HATE ON RIDERS IS AMONG US!

[mercdude63]

Bizzare isn't it. What would really possess someone to do something like that?

To address that comment, i think he already shaZam! in his own bed, cause i quite literally hate that SOB. I don't think i've ever hated someone in my whole life like i hate this guy. I mean, in my mind... that was an act of attempted murder. His body was the weapon that was being used against me to kill me. it's like throwing up a roadblock when you know someone can't stop in time. he wasn't like down the street, he jumped out in front of me at like 50' away. DO the math, i COULDN"T stop in time. MF'er.

[brandiwine]

I agree, I think you should talk to the guy and tell him that you're sorry and didnt' realize you were disturbing him.  I'm not saying you were a jerk by doing what you were doing, that ball definately falls in his court, but I do think that you were inadvertently disturbing the peace in your neighborhood.  It's like my beef with people that drive in the fast lane doing 59 mph and won't move out of the way to let me pass.  I really want to kill them sometimes for being so inconsiderate when they see me there and know what I want.  

Promote the positive.  Lord knows I need to take my own advice.  I need to watch Pay it Forward again to refresh my memory.

[mercdude63]

As far as i'm concerned, i did promote the positive. I didn't beat his ass within an inch of his life like i wanted to. What i did do instead was tell him if he has a problem with me, come talk to me. Isn't that promoting positive???

[cernunos]

merc, I can understand how you'd be ticked over the incident as far as how he reacted to the situation. However, from you profile I see you list your occupation as Human Resource Management. C'mon, utilize those skills and BE THE BETTER MAN. If everybody in the world waited for the other person to make the first "pact" move then the circle of hate would just grow wider and wider...come to think of it, the circle does grow wider doesn't it. Go to the track. Ah, I just love that tiny little bike and the forum dedicated to it, don't you?

C.......

[shiplemw]

If you promoted the positive by waving a fist in his face and saying you'd better talk to me like a real man then I would argue with your methods.  I would try to have a rational discussion with the man and any other neighbors near by.  Do you have any one in the neighborhood that you normally talk or even joke with?  Maybe they can give you the scoop on what caused the angry incident.  Best way to get it solved is to talk it out though.  No fisticuffs if at all possible.

mike

[jake42]

he could have flagged you down, no need to be an @$$hole.  In my opinion people are getting more and irate on the roads and in neighborhoods in general .  I try to be polite and drive nice both in my cars and bike, but sometimes (see my post from a week or two ago aabout the two guys in two days that just pulled out in front of me)  you just wanna kill.  I don't care what the rational or polite thing is to do. the problem is they don't give a shaZam! about you and more and more often I don't give a shaZam! about them.  Next one is getting a size 11 jump boot in the door or head if they choose to poke it out of the window.

jake

[cernunos]

"...jump boot in the door or head...". I have a friend who actually did that while riding once...broke his foot like a pencil at the ankle. Meet violence with violence and what do you get? All the people who are going to jump this person or flip this person off or whatever, how do you know that person isn't going to pull out a gun or knife or whatever? Just love...the bike, the forum, anybody who you can extend it to.

C.......

[ghettorigged]

bake him a bundt cake with "I'm sorry" written in currants. .

LMAO  :lol:

[destroyer]

What would have been the appropriate thing for Jon to do if this jackass caused him to lowside his bike and get injured in the process?  "Oh, I understand that you're upset about riding my bike up and down the street.  I deserved to get my bike trashed and my arm and leg broken and road rash for doing that.  Thanks for putting my life in danger to see your point.  I wont do it again."  People just don't care about one another these says.  I'm sorry but talking it out with irrational people is not the thing to do.  They wont listen to you because they dont give a shaZam! about you or what you got to say.  What the guy should have done is try to flag him down in the street or wait until he put his bike up and walk over there and say "Hey I see you're working on your bike and all but do you think you could tone it down a little or do that somewhere else because it is a little loud.  I would appreciate it''.  Jon wouldve probably said something like "No problem.  Sorry if I disturbed you in any way.  I'll do it another time or somewhere else".  Insted the jerk jumps out in front of him in a deliberate attempt to cause a crash.  Now, would you really want to go over to this guys house and sit down and talk over a nice cup of tea after he did that to you?

[jake42]

my  point exactly destroyer..  If he wants to be a jagoff(pittsburgh slang) then he deserves to be booted.

:guns:

jake
sometimes violence is fun

[Blueknyt]

screw that. next time run him over

see, on my street, you would be the dead one,  i dont abide anyone racing up and down the streets,  i cant say for other states, but in fla, 25mph is the limit on residential streets.  40? dont care, its too fast. i walked out in front of a camaro with a tire iron who was doing much the same, he thought i was gonna move, i didnt.  he hit the brakes and stopped 2 inches from my shins, he came out screaming that im an @$$hole and that he was testing his new engine. i asked if thats what he was gonna tell the parents of the child he kills, or the judge before he sends you to prison for vehicular manslaughter?  i have a 5 year old son, and though he looks both ways most the time, it only takes once. and 40 on a residential street is wrong, even 25 given conditions could be too fast. its not worth it.  I am a fellow rider, i will defend my brothers and sisters of 2/3 wheels till hell freezes if they are right. but i would have no reservations with stopping a rider from doing that very same thing. i dont think its a hard choice for anyone else either, My son/ a childs life Vs injuring someone tuning thier ride in the wrong place in the wrong manner.   everyone can hate me, if they wish.  my son/ the child comes first.

[Blueknyt]

ok, should have proof read, didnt quite come out right.  i would not intentionaly knock a person off, i wouldnt wait till last second to walk out either, you will see me long before you got there. but if i ask you to cool it and your out the next day/week doing it again, then your chances of getting hurt increase, ALOT.

[Gisser]

, cause i quite literally hate that SOB. I don't think i've ever hated someone in my whole life like i hate this guy. I mean, in my mind... that was an act of attempted murder. His body was the weapon that was being used against me to kill me.

Best way to handle the situation is to swear up a storm right there on the spot.  Get it all off your chest and save the apologies for afterwards.  :x

Then you can exhibit your superior maturity by admitting it was inconsiderate to disturb the neighborhood with your V/H pipe and K/N filter.  

Always leave the  physical confrontation option off the table lest the resulting anxiety ties your tongue preventing you from fully articulating your anger.  Besides, it's easier to lose a fight than it is to lose fighting off an attacker.  :guns:

Anyway, this is much more therapeutic than going on a slow burn over what you woulda coulda done 12 hours after the fact.  

[Pkaaso]

An ignition advancer could help your low end a little.

I have to agree with the fact that he handled his anger regarding your inconsideration rather poorly.

Be nice and give him some sweetness.... right in his gas tank.

[yamahonkawazuki]

ive been the (almost) same situation, when i was checking my bike out. o live amongst/near fellow riders,rodders etc. weve come to an understanding to limit the noise, or do it at certain times/speeds. im not anywhere near a track so its not an option. but ive made a few high speed runs near a leo's house, and he was pretty tolerant. dunno bout that fellers position.

[mercdude63]

Thanks for the thoughts guys.

My person opinion is that he has a few different issues, none of which i can ever understand since i am 99.9% of the time a SUPER safe rider... i've already crashed once and that was enough for me.

1. The guy himself was a inconsiderate jackass and used to do all kinds of wheelies, etc, on his own bike when he was a few years younger.

2. There's probably been other people, i just moved in down the street about 3 months ago, going up and down the street as such before doing wheelies and whatnot.

3. I believe the guy did mention he has a kid... although i've never seen him/her.

HOWEVER, What the f***! Intentionally endangering someone's life is NOT the right way of going about it.

And as far as i'm concerned, and thank you Stephen for sticking up for me here, that his actions were attempted assalt with intent of murder. the only reason i couldn't press charges is because he didn't have a weapon. But if i were a lawyer, which i'm not, i would state that his body is arguably being used as a weapon and that the danger still lies when riding a motorcycle.

All the guy had to do was come over and talk to me. That's a hell of lot easier than almost killing me... which after that, if my relatives dont' get him first, he'd ruin his life going to prison... then the life of his wife and kid's... etc etc etc. down the spiralling chain of doom.

Maybe fathers should think about THAT before they willingly endanger themselves.

You know what, my father would do something just that stupid like that and i always wondered when i was a child, what IF you actually DO hurt someone? then i don't have a father, my mom doesn't have a husband.... then what??? emotional/psychological damage that will forever follow me and F-up my relationships/life to come.

MY QUESTION IS: IS IT REALLY WORTH IT WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TALK TO SOMEONE?

[The Buddha]

I usually just down shift... and dont brake... and I try to aim for the crotch... just dont get target fixated and follow him into his driveway... when he gets wind of it and tries to get away... then go to him and say what you think... When cages cut me off turning left from a driveway or side street... I aim for the driver... and down shift and honk. Usually they get away... and an accident is avoided... I am not just going down only to have them go OK well he fell all by himself... and continue on their way. easier for me to do it on the eli... usually people dont want to get run over/hit by a 600 lb bike, that looks like its all steel.
Cool.
Srinath.

[brandiwine]

Fine. Your right.  Happy?  

What's the right answer?  No matter what people say, it's not the right thing unless they agree with you.  People have their own opinions and apparently all you wanted was someone to agree with you.  Let us know that is all you want next time and I'm sure a couple people will be happy to oblidge.   :dunno:

All I'm asking is (and these are rehtorical)...what started this chain of events in your post?  and what is your participation in it?  are you completely innocent or is your ego in the way of admitting you might have contributed to your own near crash.  

Look, I'm not saying I never do anything wrong;  I'm saying that I'm not going to agree with you to make you feel better about yourself.

P.S.  -  i definately think that guy was an ASS for jumping in front of you.

[mercdude63]

Actually, i started this post to determine if this is something other people have encountered and how they handled it... (see my first post.) I didn't start asking people how they would personally handle it or to make judgements on how i handled it... i don't think.

But thanks for the psuedo-psychoanalysis. Perhpas on some level i do truly want someone to agree with me, but i'd say more like bond with me over a shitty situation that almost got me seriously hurt just like every other thread on here does when it says "almost crashed today."

I admit to speeding, see my first post, but i hardly do it, especially in residential areas. So that combined with a loud exhaust (but seriously, who doesn't on a sport bike nowadays?) could definately make neighbors angry. There's my catharthis.

Maybe i should just end this thread because i guess no one has really encountered this situation before, outside of stephen and the crazy truck story.

I would just like to thank everyone for sharing and thanks for being supportive.

jon

[raylarrabee]

you could probably make a case for reckless endangerment.  Assault would be a stretch, and any type of aggrivated assault just doesn't fit the facts you described.

if you really wanted to, you could probably apply for a protective order (not sure if that's what they're called out in CA) against the guy, since he threatened you.  That would give you a recourse if he did anything similar in the future.

good luck with your carbs!