GS5 vs. Harley...Now, the Story can be Told!!!

[gregvhen]

this is a perfect example of how my Government teacher was trying to explain loose and strict construction of the constitution.   you say they are invading your right to privacy, but....wait.... hang on i had it in my head now i dont remeber if you were loose or strict.  in know loose construction is actually the conservitive side, which sounds opposite but it is. and loose is the leberal side. becasue a liberal POV would be "I may not agree with what you say, but i defend your right to say it" and the conservitive would be "somethings are just not right" like calling an african american the N word, would technically be okay due to the freedom of speech, that would would be liberal cause its word word okay by the constitution. but the conservitive would say, calling that man the N word is not okay, because you do not have the right to say ANYTHING you want.

So..... you are saying they cant ride the loud bikes because it invades your peace, so youd be extremely conservitive? I think thats right. at least on this issue. or would you be liberal because technically you have the right to peace? hmmmm.

strange because i disagree with you that they shouldnt ride them, but typically i am a conservative fellow.

[JB848]

OK Idiots: When your rights infringe on others you don't have it never did!

[JB848]

The problem is that needs of the one are not! More important then the many..that is selfish and ignorant!

[glynnd89]

To me both rights are infringed, so like two penalties by both teams, my rule they offset, so replay the down, niether sides will ever come to an agreement. So I'd forget it and move .

[black and silver twin]

The problem is that needs of the one are not! More important then the many..that is selfish and ignorant!

cry me a river 

[tt_four]

Something doesn't have to physically hit you to be asinine. It's fine if you like the sound of a loud motorcycle, but that doesn't make it suited for public use. It's the same whether it's a harley or a sportbike, they're both obnoxious. I think twins are more annoying than inline4s, but only because the rumble is deep enough to shake my house and scare my dogs, sportbikes don't go much beyond sounding annoying. Just for the record, I've been around bikes that were so loud that it DID hurt my ears.

From what I gather, even Harley Davidson is getting tired of all the strife that comes with the noise.... http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/newsandupdates/harley_davidson_motorcycle_noise/index.html

Personally, I do like the sound, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to forget the fact that there's people around me trying to go on with my life. If you're gonna start playing that game you're no different than all the people we talk about in cars who are so concerned with their own life that they completely forget there's anything going on outside of their car. Apparently it's different when we do it?? I had a loud pipe on my bike when I was 20, and yes, it was because I felt like being an ass and wanted everyone to stare at me. There's no other reason for a loud pipe unless you're on a track. If you're that concerned with performance there's plenty of other mods you could do to your bike that doesn't smack the rest of the general public in the face.

As far as people smoking in public, I haven't started ripping cigarettes out of peoples mouths, but yes, it is completely obnoxious and screwed up that your 'right' means I need to hold my breath every 20 seconds when I'm walking somewhere downtown, and am physically unable to get inside a building without walking past a crowd of smokers who will blow smoke right in your face without a second thought. At least normal drug addicts have the decency to do it in private so the rest of us don't have to deal with it.

[badguy]

Something doesn't have to physically hit you to be asinine. It's fine if you like the sound of a loud motorcycle, but that doesn't make it suited for public use. It's the same whether it's a harley or a sportbike, they're both obnoxious. I think twins are more annoying than inline4s, but only because the rumble is deep enough to shake my house and scare my dogs, sportbikes don't go much beyond sounding annoying. Just for the record, I've been around bikes that were so loud that it DID hurt my ears.

From what I gather, even Harley Davidson is getting tired of all the strife that comes with the noise.... http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/newsandupdates/harley_davidson_motorcycle_noise/index.html

Personally, I do like the sound, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to forget the fact that there's people around me trying to go on with my life. If you're gonna start playing that game you're no different than all the people we talk about in cars who are so concerned with their own life that they completely forget there's anything going on outside of their car. Apparently it's different when we do it?? I had a loud pipe on my bike when I was 20, and yes, it was because I felt like being an ass and wanted everyone to stare at me. There's no other reason for a loud pipe unless you're on a track. If you're that concerned with performance there's plenty of other mods you could do to your bike that doesn't smack the rest of the general public in the face.

As far as people smoking in public, I haven't started ripping cigarettes out of peoples mouths, but yes, it is completely obnoxious and screwed up that your 'right' means I need to hold my breath every 20 seconds when I'm walking somewhere downtown, and am physically unable to get inside a building without walking past a crowd of smokers who will blow smoke right in your face without a second thought. At least normal drug addicts have the decency to do it in private so the rest of us don't have to deal with it.

Well said 

[tt_four]

An afterthought as well.... Since when do we consider it someone's right to be on an obnoxiously loud motorcycle? There are laws that say how loud a bike is supposed to be, and 99% of the bikes on the road with aftermarket pipes are illegal anyway. That doesn't sound anything like a right to me, it just sounds like people not caring, and taking any defense they can think of.

[XealotX]

 

So, one Monday night I get bored and write a little story about 4 goofballs on Harleys (and one goofball on a GS) and by Thursday we get...

South Park
The handling dynamics of different weight motorcycles
Know it "alls" from the land of Franklin  
When people look retarded wearing sour apple green full face helmets
Feet...who knew?
That 70's show
The MSF...motorcycling Bible or over-rated?
Short people...NO MOTORCYCLES FOR YOU!!!!
Goldwings (Really?, Goldwings?  )
Proper braking technique
Bicycles
Over-Zealous law enforcement
Canadians (Really? Canadians?  )
Cats as substitute head gear
ATG(AMSN)TT  (All, Most, Some, None)
Loud pipes
Smokers should die---which, I guess they will anyway---which, I guess we all will anyway
The constitution

Once this thread de-volves into which oil we should be using I'm not reading it any more........

[scottpA_GS]

Looks like everyone was due for some debates  Hasnt been much controversy here lately 


<---- 2 foot down, gear wearin loud piped obnoxious bike rider 

[gregvhen]

I brought up that 70s show! 

There are law requirements on how loud the bike can be though. And if no one was allowed to ride harleys (which sounds like what you want) then why should anyway be allowed to ride Hondas, cause they dont sound the same as Suzukis. and why should people be able to put on those fart cans on their foreign cars making them sound annoying and differant from a Chevy or Ford.  Why should we be allowed to drive Chevys or Fords if they sound differant than a Dodge.  Why can we ride Ducatis if they sound differant from KTMs.  Oh thats right, i remember because we live in America. where not everyone has to drive or ride the same vehicle.

[tt_four]

I love that 70's show, it's one of the few shows I can watch daily and still haven't gotten tired of it.

[bubba zanetti]

What about fuel economy

[BaltimoreGS]

I am no legal scholar so I may be talking out of my ass here but after reading this full thread I figure I'm due my share of controversy   

Is there actually a "right" to not be disturbed???  I don't think that was addressed by the constitutional convention.  

Kind of like discrimination.  There are a lot of things that would be discrimination but there are only about 8 groups protected under federal law (sex, race, age, disability, color, creed, national origin and religion.... not sure if sexual orientation is covered nationally).  If my employer fired me because I had long hair it would be discrimination but since that is not a protected group I would have no legal recourse.

Back to the original question/point, I know there may be local ordinances for maximum sound decibels but I don't think there is any "right" to not be disturbed.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

-Jessie

[XealotX]

For that matter, do you have the "right" to health care? Don't recall good health mentioned in the Constitution either.

[JStrube]

they didn't seem to know how to ride very well. All three riders kept both legs firmly planted on the road the entire stop (as though balancing was an issue)

No, balance is not an issue... they obviously know how to ride... evidently you don't.

Its just good practice to have both feet on the ground when stopped. Both feet should also hit the ground at the same time when coming to a stop. In most states ITS THE LAW! If you don't stop and keep both feet down, you technically didn't stop!

Take the MSF, learn how to ride yourself and then feel free to comment on other peoples riding skills.

Sorry for bein a d i ck..   Just hope to make us all better riders.

UM,No.  Iin the MSF class I took 2 years ago, they have you do a stop & put down your shift foot, always keeping your brake foot on the brake.  Several of the drills do this & if you put both feet down, they ding you points.  On a tall bike, like a R1200GS-A, you almost have to one foot it...  On a hill, it is good practice to use your foot brake to hold, so you can throttle up...

[Bluesmudge]

Even though he hated their taste, Mel Blanc insisted on chewing real carrots to provide the chomping sounds when he voiced the cartoon character Bugs Bunny.

[gregvhen]

For that matter, do you have the "right" to health care? Don't recall good health mentioned in the Constitution either.

They didnt have healthcare back then, and part of the greatness of the framers is their ability to see that things might change in the future. how that relates to healthcare, they made it to the constitution could be ammended.

while were on healthcare. Obamas plan is a joke. and i really hope it doesnt pass.  yea itll give everyone healthcare but the care will suck. and all the plan does is change it from what we have now (somepeople have healthcare/health insurance and somepeople have neither) changing to (everyone will have healthcare but you must follow our rules when you want to be healed or compensated or whatever) like if you live is springfeild, and springfeild ran out of flu vaccines, you cant go over to jamestown where they are overstocked, because you live in springfeild. which is just bull.

[lilwoody]

Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick now you went and did it. You said the chosen ones name and spoke badly of something on his agenda. The zombies will be coming to get you now.

[johnny ro]

any Harley with loud pipes should be confiscated on the spot and crushed. too bad the cops all have them or want them.

Healthcare is a right most anywhere except USA. Thats good, right?