The exhaust alpha had sent my way got in earlier...skippy. I started work on building a jig to fit a bolt-in replacement so that will be available soon. I also went ahead and setup for a slip-on replacement but it'll require permanent modification to the stock exhuast (duh)...slip ons are available now, though (see f/s section of Mak's Kitchen for details).
I think I'm going to narrow it down to three options for the GS:
Slip-on replacement. This will require that the can be cut off at the weld + 1/2". There will be a slip on flange that slips over the stock tubing, but it'll be a tad loose to allow for good alignemt, then secure with a single band clamp. Can will then secure to the factory location, but it may be a bit closer to the swingarm and tire...I don't think it'll be an issue, though. If anyone can tell me how much clearance there is between the factory can and the swinger/tire I can clear it up now.
Full system replacement. This will be a full 2-1 system that bolts in place of stock. The system will be made of 45mm runners and a 60mm collector to continue to the can. Can will bolt up like stock.
Full high mount. Same as above, but with the can hugging the tail. I can't divulge too much about this one, yet, as I can't start fitment until I get a reliable test-bike in hand.
All exhausts will come with the carbon fiber cans.
The slip on will be $154 shipped anywhere in the US.
The bolt in replacement is $278 shipped anywhere in the US.
Specific pricing and details for the highmount will be released in time...target price is still $325.
The dual high mount I think is going to be abandoned as I feel plumbing it in might be a bigger hassle than I'm prepared to deal with. I'll update on that.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 05:45:03 PM
The dual high mount I think is going to be abandoned as I feel plumbing it in might be a bigger hassle than I'm prepared to deal with. I'll update on that.
Awwwwwwww.... nuts!!
Let's see some pictures of the jig! Glad everything got in alright and look forward to seeing everything.
I may still build a few but I think the plumbing is going to be a nightmare. I certainly won;t be able to swing a true dual setup...both pipes are going to have to come up behing the rider peg and split under the tail. Either that or a single pipe up behind the peg and under the tail and split then. Not something I'm looking foward to trying to produce on a "demand" scale.
You're a good man, Mak :thumb:
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 06:12:44 PM
I may still build a few but I think the plumbing is going to be a nightmare. I certainly won;t be able to swing a true dual setup...both pipes are going to have to come up behing the rider peg and split under the tail. Either that or a single pipe up behind the peg and under the tail and split then. Not something I'm looking foward to trying to produce on a "demand" scale.
Yeah, totally understandable. That does sound lke a bit of trouble. Plus it might interfere with a wider tire (which will be going on later).
Hmm, so what do you have planned for me? :)
Not sure yet...If you're still interested in the high mount you're going to have to wait until I get a test bike in hand...the local dude isn't interested in helping me out. Total poofer anyway.
I just sold my ninja, though, and my truck shouldnt last too long...so I'll have a GS in hand before too long...even if it's just some random old beater.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 06:29:52 PM
Not sure yet...If you're still interested in the high mount you're going to have to wait until I get a test bike in hand...the local dude isn't interested in helping me out. Total poofer anyway.
I just sold my ninja, though, and my truck shouldnt last too long...so I'll have a GS in hand before too long...even if it's just some random old beater.
Yeah, I'm still interested. It's best for me to wait to, what with the complete lack of funding right now. Gonna get funds in a few weeks from paycheck, so whatever works.
mmmmm that 2-1 sounds delicious! :icon_razz:
I'll get a ride in here soon to whip out the high mount...pinch some pennies in the mean time, I'll hook you up.
I'm suprised ur having such a hard time finding a test bike. If u were close to me I'd have it over there in a heartbeat. for a carbon fiber highmount exhause system I'd LEAVE you my bike. I hope it all comes together for you soon; I'm sure you've got penty of us drooling. :thumb:
why not just buy a VH full system for that price?
V&H is not carbon fiber.
V&H is not highmount.
V&H does not fit the F-models.
and um.... the V&H logo looks tackey!
most importantly, the V&H system isnt made with love for the GS community :kiss3:
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 07:20:14 PM
why not just buy a VH full system for that price?
because that sucks in looks
Quote from: rangerbrown on June 27, 2006, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 07:20:14 PM
why not just buy a VH full system for that price?
because that sucks in looks
Thems be fightin' words. :2guns:
-Patrick
Why buy Jardine when you can buy Vance? I'd like to know where you can get a Vance for $278.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:36:59 PM
Why buy Jardine when you can buy Vance? I'd like to know where you can get a Vance for $278.
Did you mean "I'd like to know where you can get a JARDINE for $278?"
If not, www.discountcycleparts.com sells V&H for $278. But I think you meant the above. :cheers:
-Patrick
That pipe is made for a car not a bike... $50. eBay carbon pipe for a CRX on my GS.. no thanks
Ill stick w/ my "ugly" VH full system.. (made for the GS) :thumb:
Ok.. not quite $278 but for $31.00 more
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/partslist.aspx?Bike=3317&Department=762&Manufacturer=275
or even better the above mentioned it on another site for less..
A VH exaust designed by engineers for the GS :thumb:
No I didn't...I said Vance...as in "Vance and Hines". Vance is the only company that can come close to my prices, and no, discountmotorcycle.com does not sell full Vance systems for $278, and motorcycle superstore is a lot more that "$31" more.
Scott...a muffler is a muffer. If you don't like it then we don;t have a problem...you don;t have to buy it.
BTW...the GS exhaust from vance and hines was designed by folks to be aplicable...not perform. That's why it yields next to no gain and fits 7 different bikes. It's all noise, boy.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:36:59 PM
Why buy Jardine when you can buy Vance? I'd like to know where you can get a Vance for $278.
Vance & Hines isn't made anymore either.
Maybe that's why no one even bothers putting a pic of the system up...
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:53:01 PM
and motorcycle superstore is a lot more that "$31" more.
Did you even click the link.. kepp livin in denial...
MC Super store VH += $309.99
Your CRX pipe = $ 278.00
Oopss.. my bad... it $31.99 more
:dunno_white:
Im not trying to be a jerk but I dont think that putting a cheap ass can off a Honda on the GS is a good idea..
I have seen that pipe on the board before and Im sure it will work fine but Im just saying that sticking w/ parts made for bikes (not cars) is a much better option.
Those pipes are cheap and not made to last long at all. The Vh is a nice cheap system that is built to last. And better yet.. designed for the GS.
as far as generating more HP?? what is your CRX pipe gonna do for the GS? Burn out the exaust valves?
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:58:53 PM
Maybe that's why no one even bothers putting a pic of the system up...
Mine.. installed last week...
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h55/scottpeel/IMG_2722.jpg)
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
MC Super store VH += $309.99
And how many more do they have? V&H doesn't make it anymore, so as soon as they are gone they're gone.
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
Those pipes are cheap and not made to last long at all. The Vh is a nice cheap system that is built to last. And better yet.. designed for the GS.
So, what about having to repaint the V&H pipe because it rusts? That's a common problem with them, you know.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:53:01 PM
No I didn't...I said Vance...as in "Vance and Hines". Vance is the only company that can come close to my prices, and no, discountmotorcycle.com does not sell full Vance systems for $278, and motorcycle superstore is a lot more that "$31" more.
Scott...a muffler is a muffer. If you don't like it then we don;t have a problem...you don;t have to buy it.
BTW...the GS exhaust from vance and hines was designed by folks to be aplicable...not perform. That's why it yields next to no gain and fits 7 different bikes. It's all noise, boy.
I am reading my invoice: V&H $278.36 Shipping $12.99 from www.discountcycleparts.com (March 27, 2006)
I have posted on my installation of the system on the '04 (with pics). It aint perfect, but she pulls and purrs way better than stock. Hope this clears things up. :thumb:
-Patrick
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on June 27, 2006, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:36:59 PM
Why buy Jardine when you can buy Vance? I'd like to know where you can get a Vance for $278.
Vance & Hines isn't made anymore either.
Two links just got posted where you can buy it ???
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on June 27, 2006, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:36:59 PM
Why buy Jardine when you can buy Vance? I'd like to know where you can get a Vance for $278.
Vance & Hines isn't made anymore either.
Two links just got posted where you can buy it ???
Umm, dude. Just because someone has stock of the pipes doesn't mean they aren't made anymore. As soon as they run out, they are out. Vance & Hines does not make the can anymore.
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
Im just saying that sticking w/ parts made for bikes (not cars) is a much better option.
I'm interested in finding out just what exactly you think the difference is between a car and motorcycle muffler? Its only aesthetics and possibly the density of the sound dampening material (not that that even matters).
-Turd.
QuoteOopss.. my bad... it $31.99 more
Oops...you're bad...they don't send it to you for free. Check out their shipping prices.
Now, again, find me somewhere that comes close to $278.
QuoteI have seen that pipe on the board before...
No. You haven't.
Quotedesigned for the GS.
Nothing made of carbon fiber is made to last forever...if I wanted it to last forever I'd only offer it in steel. Stick to your guns, though you might take into consideration that these cans aren't exactly "cheap" and that I've been running a "cheap" stainless one on my TL for nearly 2 years...still not falling apart.
I'd also like to clue you back into the fact that the Vance system fits
7 different bikesQuoteBurn out the exaust valves?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Thanks Twinlove! Price is now $255.
What im saying is this cheap $50. Crx can is not a quality product. When exausts are built for bikes they are engineered to give propper back preassure and flow.. a can off a CRX is not made to go on a 48 HP bike.
Some shots of the slip-on assembly and the jig.
(http://www.photoartclub.net/ex500/slip1.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/ex500/slip2.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/ex500/slip3.jpg)
(http://www.photoartclub.net/ex500/slip4.jpg)
Whatever floats your boat. If you want to rock it, go for it. IMO, the V&H, wileyco, and jardine look better.
Bottom line: it's your bike--not mine. :icon_rolleyes:
-Patrick
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 08:10:48 PM
QuoteI have seen that pipe on the board before...
No. You haven't.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=18249.0
(http://bigbikeriders.com/photopost/data/500/2960cropped.JPG)
Guess I imagined that $26. CXR pipe :flipoff:
prolly a moot point, but me thinks that is from a subu wrx and mak's is from a honda crx? 8)
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on June 27, 2006, 08:07:51 PM
Umm, dude. Just because someone has stock of the pipes doesn't mean they aren't made anymore. As soon as they run out, they are out. Vance & Hines does not make the can anymore.
Ummm dude... 89-05 GS's arent made anymore either ??? Did that stop 3/4 of this board from getting one?
Mak's has nothing to do with a crx...I've made no reference to a car...and the capacity is way too low to deal with anything over 1000cc (I'm using two on my TL).
Scott, if you're seeing this:
(http://www.photoartclub.net/ex500/slip3.jpg)
...and you're seeing an 18" X 6" can...well, I can;t imagine what you tell the ladies.
(that's a stock can above the CF one, by the way)
And I've been building this stuff for 10 years. I'd like to see you explain this "back pressure" thing to me...considering your experience is superior to mine.
QuoteUmmm dude... 89-05 GS's arent made anymore either Did that stop 3/4 of this board from getting one?
Holy cow...what are you, 12?
Am I 12.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I concede... I can see I am dealing w/ a true genius
:thumb:
Mak + Alpha:
Looks like you're not gonna be able to convince or persuade in any way the noobs. I say just ignore them and keep helping the GS board with your mechanical talents. :thumb:
QuoteMak + Alpha:
Looks like you're not gonna be able to convince or persuade in any way the noobs. I say just ignore them and keep helping the GS board with your mechanical talents.
Not worried about it. I've got 10 people interested in buying...and one boob who thinks he knows it all. I think I'll be able to "weather the storm" and make a lot of people happy.
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 07:53:01 PM
BTW...the GS exhaust from vance and hines was designed by folks to be aplicable...not perform. That's why it yields next to no gain and fits 7 different bikes. It's all noise, boy.
And your exaust has been tested to do??? for the GS ?
as i stated erlier.. I wasnt trying to be a jerk about any of this.. you are the one calling names and being an ass...
You are selling a $26. can with $15. of pipe for $278.00 ?
I guess that makes you an expert.
i am not pretending to know anything about exausts.. I only stated facts..
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 08:44:25 PM
Not worried about it. I've got 10 people interested in buying...and one boob who thinks he knows it all. I think I'll be able to "weather the storm" and make a lot of people happy.
I wish I could ignore people like that :bowdown:
Scott: ...and do you have PROOF that he is selling the SAME F*CKING EXACT can as this supposed $26 can you keep reffering to?
Uh... NO????
Well, then STFU!!! :2guns: :2guns: :laugh:
Did you not see the other post above ??? are you blind??? Ok.. perhaps its a $27.00 WRX can and not a CRX can... ??? What do you think its worth..
$278 ?? Buy two then.. it will make his list 12 ... 10 people on here aint buyin that...
Those shorty carbon fiber cans would look really cool on the Z1000, I think.
I think these look really awesome too:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/SHasslinger/HOUSE/100_4378A.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/SHasslinger/HOUSE/100_4373A.jpg)
Here are some that remind me of your shorty CF cans:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/CopyofPicture006.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b123/AlphaFire_X5/GSTwin/cf-shorty.jpg)
dude you're f%$king blind...the cans I'm using measure 10" X 4". The WRX guy used one nearly twice the size and 3X the capacity.
Further...I have to make some money off these projects, but I assure you, I have a whole hell of a lot more money invested in each setup than $50. shaZam!, I can't even buy the tubing for $50...
Alpha...I saw a Z in lubbock a couple days ago that had those carbon cans...a b;ack one...ut's was sexy...
If you wanna be technical...
The WRX can pic you posted is NOT THE F*CKING SAME CAN!!!
You can tell by the chrome "end" that meets the CF body of the can.....
Don't you know different manufacturers made products that LOOK THE SAME????
Mak are you still thinking that it willl be $120 (aprox) more for a stainless steel version?
Quote from: annguyen1981 on June 27, 2006, 08:41:54 PM
Mak + Alpha:
Looks like you're not gonna be able to convince or persuade in any way the noobs.
I have been a member longer than you and Mak.. NOOB !
Simba...the tubing for a full high mount would be up there, but the standard setup would be a bit less...right now I'm trying to find a good bidder for stainless tubing, though. I'll be sure to let you know if I can a good price locked up.
I may be a noob, but at least I don't attack others based on assumptions alone...
I also don't ruin potentially good threads either.
I'm not participating in attempted conversation with a monkey any more.
Quote from: annguyen1981 on June 27, 2006, 08:59:34 PM
If you wanna be technical...
The WRX can pic you posted is NOT THE F*CKING SAME CAN!!!
You can tell by the chrome "end" that meets the CF body of the can.....
Don't you know different manufacturers made products that LOOK THE SAME????
Like I said... maybee its not the exact same.. its still a cheap ass can NOT made for the GS..
Im gonna be a punk back out a bit and say.. Its still a cool mod.. I havent tried to knock Mac for making it.. Im not here to make enemies I am here to make friends and learn about my bike.
I diddnt "attatch" ??? my self to anyone :icon_mrgreen:
I wasnt tryin to jack this thread.. I didnt assume anything.. I only stated facts
The dual setup looks shweet. Mak--if you could put a dual setup on a GS regardless of whatever MF can you use then you deserve props.
Homebrew always has more flavor than stock. :cheers:
-Patrick
Quote from: makenzie71 on June 27, 2006, 09:02:01 PM
Simba...the tubing for a full high mount would be up there, but the standard setup would be a bit less...right now I'm trying to find a good bidder for stainless tubing, though. I'll be sure to let you know if I can a good price locked up.
Thanks
I would have to see what the hi mount would looks like, but I would most likey be getting a standard mount.
Quote from: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2006, 09:04:27 PM
Like I said... maybee its not the exact same.. its still a cheap ass can NOT made for the GS..
Umm, dude. Are you completely missing the fact that your coveted V&H exhaust fits 7 different bikes?
yea.. I guess I was.. honestly... Bt its not coveted.. Its LOUD !
Still I like it. :thumb:
didnt mean to stir Sh*t up.. just drinking... :0 its been raining and I cant ride :(
But you sat the VH can fit 7 bikes... but still where is the testing that makes this Cheap CF pipe better for the $$$ ?
I see sooo many posts on here where pople attack you for trying to make some $$.. I saw someone selling $26 ( but not the same $26 ones these are better ??) pipes for $270.. just thought i would see whats up
Where's the testing you've done that proves that the Vance and hines pipe..which is made of mild steel, inside and out, and packed with composite material...is better than my pipe.
Mine is made entirely of stainless (inside, tips, packing, rivets, bands, clamps) and carbon fiber (shell).
you are soo right..
I am sure your pipe is far supirior to the V&H or jardine systems :thumb:
And at a steal of $278 for a $26 can.. SHIPPING INCLUDED! what a deal :thumb:
...someone please just farm this...
Beautiful, I'm not only pinching my pennies, I'm giving them merciless purple nurples to get that high mount. :laugh:
As to the bastards dissing on this, if you don't like it buy something else and get LESS GROUND CLEARANCE. So STFU. :mad: :2guns: :cookoo:
Go fabricate your own. Hahahahahhaahahhahaa... Please do, really, I want to see how far high-school metal shop will take you guys AHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh:
Anyways Mak, don't worry, people always want to bring everyone down to their level, don't trip. 8)
I Love the ground clearance on you systems. What about that little under the bike jobbie? Still doing that one? It really made me hot. :o
And they're all going to be carbon fiber wrapped? I'm not sure how I feel about that, but hey, at first I didn't like bikes at all, now I'm in love, so take with the obligatory salt.
So with rider I'll ground the can first (after I get new pegs) or will i lose the tire?
scott noone is telling you to buy the can.
Mak is the one putting all the effort in here to put the whole exhaust system together and make it available to us. If you've got that big a problem with the price... dont buy it.
why dont you go complain to Nikko for selling GS systems that start at $900?
there is no point in hijacking the thread to try to steer away his potential buyers. that's just an @$$hole move.
dont get into the techicalities of something you really dont understand; other than buying a V&H full system that reads "super sport" and is thought to be unique to the GS.
It's not. I'm sorry you were mislead by V&H, but stop trying to change peoples' minds and let Mak do his thing.
In my opinion, what Mak is offering is much better than the V&H system. the great thing is that Mak's system is an interesting alternative to the boring V&H system; offered at a very fair price. If you dont like the price; go get your $30 can and $15 pipe and make your own.
oooh almost forgot:
Mak, any idea how the weight of the 2-1 highmount (carbon wrapped can) system will compare to the stocker? no need to be exact; it's just that the stock system is friggin HEAVY. if your's is even a little bit lighter I'll wet myself some...
have to see it on a gs before i bought it