since I've seen so much bullhockey about fuel a is better than fuel b, and "I can really tell a difference" let's put it to the test.
"oh, no fair ! I'm the most elitist of all elite audiophiles and can tell when there is a real $20000 monster cable pumping a 256bit mp3 to my beatsphones, and surely know the difference between inferior fuels without actually TESTING myself !!!" some might say.
yes, I'm completely mocking. yes, this is your chance to prove you have superior input receptors, and can actually tell which fuel is better, in a motorcycle. what ? no 50psi road raping uber tuned ralley cars ? correct, those are hardly a gs, and there is zero relativity between what the space shuttle uses vs a motorbike.
no more myths, just simple proof. ha.
1 buy 3 fuel tanks, and fill with the lowest octane available, AT ALL PUMPS IN YOUR AREA, the mid range, and the highest. do not add anything to it, and use it the same day. no letting it sit for 4 weeks in an open container next to the sea. :-P
have one friend label the tanks a, b, c for whatever is in them, and squirrel away which is which.
*ride the bike 10 miles on whatever is in it*
*drain your current tank and fuel bowls. splash with any of the fuels, then drain again.*
pour in 1/2 gallon, or whatever that is in liters, bushels, pecs, drops, dribbles, or something. you're only riding ten miles, and draining the bowls after.
ride your motorcycle 10 miles, then pour the remainder back into the correct container, along with emptying the float bowls, and record your impressions for a b and c.
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I don't care if you use a gs500 or a scooter or anything in between. grab whatever you ride every day.
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this is a proving thread, not a "but I already know my butt dyno" thread.
if you don't have results, go start another oil or fuel thread with amazing butt dyno numbers. or a monster cable / wooden- knobs-audiophile blathering.
cool. who's in ?
Hmmm... I deliberately switched to e10 ... And prefer filling at the local station cos I know they have a high turnover ... And good filters that do get changed on the pumps every month .. 'Just in case' ...
They advertise it as 94 Ron (Aussie version)
Another nearly local place doesn't filter or turn over quite as much .. But I've had no dramas from there either ... They advertise it as 91 Ron... As do most all the other places ..
But I'm usually skeptical of any advertised Ron number .... And why does that particular smaller chain of fuel outlets have '94' e10?
Come to think of it ... I didn't really even notice much difference switching from whatever 'real fuel' to e10 .... Sometimes idling it would purr slightly smoother or rougher with various different fuels ... But cos of age of fuel?, air temp?, Kms since service? .. How gunked/carboned the plug were that day? ... Temp of fuel in the ground tanks? (Btw the temp of fuel when the tanker delivers it to the station IS a big deal ... And over several thousand measured litres can make a significant difference to the actual litres in the holding tanks) .. If I have to switch between e10 and real fuel I do try to have the tank as empty as possible ... Mainly because I did some reading and several official reports seems to indicate that mixing the 2 types is more likely to draw the 'water content' out of the e10 and form its own layer in the tank pretty quick
In principle I agree with your premise ... The gs500 at 'all our' tuning levels .. won't really make any better use of 'Big Bang' fuel ... Power wise ... Or really much noticeable difference distance wise ...
But sometimes ... And I have no idea why ... Got a load of fuel whether ethanol or not ... From a few various servos.... And the bike hates it!! ... It just doesn't run as good for that whole tankful ... Next time I go there it's fine again.... So whatever is happening there can be variations in quality ... Age wise or particulate wise or something ... I don't know! ... But it does happen...
I can't be arsed doing the whole gallon can thing ... But I will be upfront and mention if I happen to suddenly notice a particularly 'good or bad' batch of fuel .... Drain some into a jar .. And take it to my mate who drives fuel tankers ... Who can then take it to the 'quality control test/monitor' bloke at the storage facility in Sydney and probably find out what the frag is different for that particular tankful ... And there are tankers of all types/haulage companies/brands ... all hauling out of that tank farm! ... The 'test for a mate' thing is pretty much off the record ... Can't be used for legal purposes ... You have to pay for a 'legal valid' test ... But I think it will be suitable for the purposes here.
Hope that's of some use. :thumb:
Ill start by pissing in my fuel tank and see what happens and how the bike feels :thumb:
Usually it's not the octane you'll notice, it's how clean the fuel is.
For instance, every time I go to the states and fill my car up, I can actually tell the difference. The states has much higher regulations for gasoline imports and MUCH higher regulations for their diesel fuels. My brother's smart car had a 10km/h top speed difference on US diesel than Canadian diesel.
No expert, but at certain altitudes low octane fuel in Ram 1500's will cause spark knock. They require 89 minimum. At other altitudes 87 will work but not always.
As far as power... octane will do nothing. Put race fuel in your GS/gsxr/R6 and it will do nothing.
Quote from: ohgood on July 25, 2013, 03:48:38 AM
since I've seen so much bullhockey about fuel a is better than fuel b, and "I can really tell a difference" let's put it to the test.
or maybe we could just ignore them and they will go away...
I don't think many people understand the difference between normal unleaded and high octane unleaded. Many people think that the higher the octane the bigger the bang but this is not true.
High octane is a slower burning fuel which means on a stock GS engine you will lose power by running high octane fuel!
High octane fuel is for:
High compression engines
Highly advanced timing on engines
Forced induction to cause larger cylinder pressures than factory design.
If you have a any of the above characteristics in your engine then you may find running low octane causes pre detonation or knocking. This can be stopped by running higher octane, retarding ignition, lowering compression blah blah you get the picture. When you build an engine for high power you don't want to reduce compression, boost or retard timing so you use high octane and set it up that way.
If you advance your timing on your GS so that it just starts knocking you can fill it up with high octane and the knocking will stop (depending on amount of ignition advancing obviously).
If you run high octane in your GS when it runs fine on lower grade octane then you are wasting your money and losing power.
The GS500 does not, in any way, shape, or form, need high octane fuel. Every now and then you'll come across some bad fuel if you buy off-brand cheap stuff (my bike has some bad fuel in it right now), but it's not a very demanding engine. What exactly is it you're trying to prove here?
I once ran my rg on cheap whiskey...does that count? :icon_mrgreen:
The octane myth has ALREADY been long debunked, and put to bed..........There are literally hundreds of articles available on the internet.......
I would love to participate in a double blind test.......but you are preaching to the choir as far as I am concerned......
The fun would be to get one of those.."I know my bike and I can "feel" the difference guys"....and have HIM do a blind test....
Trouble is...even that would not convince him......and worse yet...for every person you might convince...there are a million knuckleheads who will continue to perpetuate the myth!
BTW...I have run my GS on high octane ..twice...when the pump guy just assumed I wanted high test, because all the other motorcycle knuckleheads always get high test........(yeah,here in Jersey, they pump the gas for us...full service...and gas is about the cheapest in the USA...so you don't have to spend the rest of the day with your hands stinking of gas...)
Anyway....with the tank of high test.........my GS was EXACTLY the same as it was with a tank of regular......
Cookie
Quote from: ohgood on July 25, 2013, 03:48:38 AM
since I've seen so much bullhockey about fuel a is better than fuel b, and "I can really tell a difference" let's put it to the test.
"oh, no fair ! I'm the most elitist of all elite audiophiles and can tell when there is a real $20000 monster cable pumping a 256bit mp3 to my beatsphones, and surely know the difference between inferior fuels without actually TESTING myself !!!" some might say.
yes, I'm completely mocking. yes, this is your chance to prove you have superior input receptors, and can actually tell which fuel is better, in a motorcycle. what ? no 50psi road raping uber tuned ralley cars ? correct, those are hardly a gs, and there is zero relativity between what the space shuttle uses vs a motorbike.
no more myths, just simple proof. ha.
1 buy 3 fuel tanks, and fill with the lowest octane available, AT ALL PUMPS IN YOUR AREA, the mid range, and the highest. do not add anything to it, and use it the same day. no letting it sit for 4 weeks in an open container next to the sea. :-P
have one friend label the tanks a, b, c for whatever is in them, and squirrel away which is which.
*ride the bike 10 miles on whatever is in it*
*drain your current tank and fuel bowls. splash with any of the fuels, then drain again.*
pour in 1/2 gallon, or whatever that is in liters, bushels, pecs, drops, dribbles, or something. you're only riding ten miles, and draining the bowls after.
ride your motorcycle 10 miles, then pour the remainder back into the correct container, along with emptying the float bowls, and record your impressions for a b and c.
88888888888888888
I don't care if you use a gs500 or a scooter or anything in between. grab whatever you ride every day.
88888888888888888
this is a proving thread, not a "but I already know my butt dyno" thread.
if you don't have results, go start another oil or fuel thread with amazing butt dyno numbers. or a monster cable / wooden- knobs-audiophile blathering.
cool. who's in ?
Higher compression ratio engines tend to notice octane differences, my GS500 did not care from one grade to another for the most part. my GS750E Did, it also prefered Amaco Gold (93) premium verses BP,mobil, exxon,tomthum or racetrak. the GS500 did not like cheveron at all, didnt matter which station or grade.
that was easy. thanks guys. do I need to start a new thread for killing off the BRANDS myth now, or shall we continue here ?
hang on ... because you have a few in agreement now ... its all peachy and no double blind tests needed? ... wishy washy!!! ;)
Quote from: ohgood on July 25, 2013, 08:25:37 PM
that was easy. thanks guys. do I need to start a new thread for killing off the BRANDS myth now, or shall we continue here ?
That'd only work for brand name gas, like ExxonMobil and Shell. The off-brand cheap gas companies don't have their own refineries, they fill their pumps with whatever is cheapest that day. Such a gas station will have a bastardized BP product one day and a bastardized Chevron product the next day, if not a mix of whatever was left from previous days on top of that.
When you buy name brand gas, you're paying for consistency. If you fill up at one name brand station every time, you'll get fuel from the same source, with the same additives (aside from the switch between winter gas and summer gas in some regions), and bad gas will be more of a rarity. If you fill up at an off-brand station every time, you're always getting different fuels with different slurries of additives, and you're much more likely to get a bad batch.
So I'll again ask....what are you trying to prove here?
What about filling up with higher octanes for less ethanol? I believe here the 87 oc. has up to 10%, the 89 oc. has up to 5%, and the 91 octane is ethanol free. I've heard ethanol is hard on smaller engines like lawn mowers and motorcycles. Is that true?
We really haven't covered the gas octane subject or the best gas brand subject until we have had a full discussion of oil viscosity combined with gas octane. :icon_lol: You must have known it was coming!
I've run my current 02 GS all of it's 99k miles on the lowest grade regular gas buying it from any gas station without even thinking about whether it contains alcohol or how much if it does and it's run smooth, cool, and knock free all the way, but it wasn't always that way with my Hondas and my 97 first GS.
Copied from old post of mine:
My tale of octanes, gas knocks, and oil grades.
I had four 400-750cc Hondas I used 10W-40 oil winters and 20W-50 summers after they had some milage on them for the 230k miles I put on them. When I got the 97 GS new I ran 15W-50 Mobil I full synthetic for about 50k miles after break-in. After all 5 (4 Hondas and 97 GS) got 10-20k miles or so on them getting carboned up they developed gas knock in hot weather under load so I used mid range gas in them summers to eliminate the knock. When oil consumption increased I replaced the more expensive Mobil I with the 15W-40 heavy duty aka diesel oil and then one hot summer day I inadvertantly filled it with regular 87 octane gas and it never knocked. And it never knocked again for the next 30k miles I put on it with the 15W-40 oil. My 02 GS has gone all of it's 90k+ miles on 15W-40 oil and regular 87 octane gas without a single knock.
Conclusion: A 89-02 GS500 runs cooler on 10/15W-40 oil than on 15/20W-50 oil, no doubt in my mind. Never had a 04 or later model with an oil cooler so I can't vouch for them but I would run the same in them myself.
About 60 or so years ago I worked in a garage summers while going to school and we were painting some trucks for the Pure Oil Co and I was driving some of them back and forth. Every time I pulled into their yards I saw a line of tankers marked with many brand names of the day filling up and have never believed for the decades since that I was buying the brand I thought I was.
OK....Here is candidate #1 for double blind test on Brands of fuel!
Are you in?
Cookie
Quote from: Blueknyt on July 25, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
Higher compression ratio engines tend to notice octane differences, my GS500 did not care from one grade to another for the most part. my GS750E Did, it also prefered Amaco Gold (93) premium verses BP,mobil, exxon,tomthum or racetrak. the GS500 did not like cheveron at all, didnt matter which station or grade.
I'd say we are trying to prove that scientific objective testing will (may) show quite different results, than subjective, I know my bike and I know what I feel type not scientific anecdotal info shows...
Unfortunately, it will also show who the real idiots are!
Cookie
Quote from: RossLH on July 25, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: ohgood on July 25, 2013, 08:25:37 PM
that was easy. thanks guys. do I need to start a new thread for killing off the BRANDS myth now, or shall we continue here ?
That'd only work for brand name gas, like ExxonMobil and Shell. The off-brand cheap gas companies don't have their own refineries, they fill their pumps with whatever is cheapest that day. Such a gas station will have a bastardized BP product one day and a bastardized Chevron product the next day, if not a mix of whatever was left from previous days on top of that.
When you buy name brand gas, you're paying for consistency. If you fill up at one name brand station every time, you'll get fuel from the same source, with the same additives (aside from the switch between winter gas and summer gas in some regions), and bad gas will be more of a rarity. If you fill up at an off-brand station every time, you're always getting different fuels with different slurries of additives, and you're much more likely to get a bad batch.
So I'll again ask....what are you trying to prove here?
I pissed in my tank now the bike won't start. Should I use 95 or 98 to dilute the piss a bit?
Quote from: twocool on July 25, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
The octane myth has ALREADY been long debunked, and put to bed..........There are literally hundreds of articles available on the internet.......
I would love to participate in a double blind test.......but you are preaching to the choir as far as I am concerned......
The fun would be to get one of those.."I know my bike and I can "feel" the difference guys"....and have HIM do a blind test....
....
Cookie
yeppers. that's what i was hoping for. just one guy/gal seeing the light would have made my day.
Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2013, 04:08:20 AM
I'd say we are trying to prove that scientific objective testing will (may) show quite different results, than subjective, I know my bike and I know what I feel type not scientific anecdotal info shows...
Unfortunately, it will also show who the real idiots are!
Cookie
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at this point, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE STEP UP and post your very own double blind test results for DEBUNKING THE BRAND OF GAS myth.
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please, no glossy brochures, no youtube rockumentaries, no regurgitation of little white lies. just simple observations of fact. i really can't wait to read how a user can "feel a real difference" after the test, and their pre/post test notions still matching.
but i'm afraid we already know the answer.
ok, who's ready to step up ?
Once again...a simple search of the Internet brings up a couple of blind tests.........for gas brand..........
NO DIFFERENCE was found among brands as to how cars ran.....
Cookie
Quote from: ohgood on July 26, 2013, 05:12:29 AM
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at this point, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE STEP UP and post your very own double blind test results for DEBUNKING THE BRAND OF GAS myth.
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please, no glossy brochures, no youtube rockumentaries, no regurgitation of little white lies. just simple observations of fact. i really can't wait to read how a user can "feel a real difference" after the test, and their pre/post test notions still matching.
but i'm afraid we already know the answer.
ok, who's ready to step up ?
Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2013, 07:03:12 AM
Once again...a simple search of the Internet brings up a couple of blind tests.........for gas brand..........
NO DIFFERENCE was found among brands as to how cars ran.....
Cookie
i'm with you.
this is a challenge for the gear heads that swear their butt-dyno says bp is better than conoco. or whatever. the first one that can tell the difference between the supposed 'different' brands of fuel, gets a gift card for one gallon of race gas,
because it's a lie too. ;)
Quote from: twocool on July 26, 2013, 04:04:25 AM
OK....Here is candidate #1 for double blind test on Brands of fuel!
Are you in?
Cookie
Quote from: Blueknyt on July 25, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
Higher compression ratio engines tend to notice octane differences, my GS500 did not care from one grade to another for the most part. my GS750E Did, it also prefered Amaco Gold (93) premium verses BP,mobil, exxon,tomthum or racetrak. the GS500 did not like cheveron at all, didnt matter which station or grade.
Amaco 93oct and BP 93oct are literally the same thing. Same drills, same refineries, same pipelines, same damn company.
Quote from: slipperymongoose on July 26, 2013, 04:26:55 AM
I pissed in my tank now the bike won't start. Should I use 95 or 98 to dilute the piss a bit?
Definitely ONLY premium-grade marine diesel with equal parts of russian bear vodka slippery.
Maybe a little bit of grit as well...it's great for polishing out crap inside your ports.
Finally a man with real world know how cheers mate.
"Amaco 93oct and BP 93oct are literally the same thing. Same drills, same refineries, same pipelines, same damn company."
True enough these days, but back when i had my GS750, there was only one BP in my area that had bought out a former chevron station, just prior to amaco take over. Im convinced the local homeless pissed into the tanks at that station.
I have this argument all the time with my friend.
I just don't understand how he can justify putting in 98 octane fuel in his 1998 Toyota Camry, when the headlights don't work, the panels are all dinged up, the suspension clunks really bad, all the belts squeak and who knows when the oil was last changed.
"it cleans the engine" he says
try getting a damn service if you want the engine clean that bad
but then again he flogs it everywhere he goes, maybe he just likes to pretend he's in a race car. :dunno_black:
I'm having a hard time putting 98 in my car with these stupid prices.
Quote from: Toiletbooger on August 04, 2013, 09:06:03 PM"it cleans the engine"
It...doesn't. E85 cleans the engine, tell him to fill up with that next time. :laugh: Ever seen the internals of an engine that's been run strictly on E85 for 10k miles? You can see your reflection in the pistons.
Brands sometimes make a difference. I would fill up with Valero unleaded and I would get a cylinder misfire code thrown and a check engine light.
Switched to another gas station and no error since. Dealer could never find anything wrong and suggest switching brands. I did not believe it would matter, but it seemed to have worked.
Quote from: john on August 05, 2013, 12:43:39 AM
Brands sometimes make a difference. I would fill up with Valero unleaded and I would get a cylinder misfire code thrown and a check engine light.
Switched to another gas station and no error since. Dealer could never find anything wrong and suggest switching brands. I did not believe it would matter, but it seemed to have worked.
ya. my uncle c laimed some brand was crap for years. he switched to some other, said the engine light turned off.
then he found out the second attendant had put a gas cap on, instedad of replacing the rag in the filler tube.
Don't mock him hell come down with all power and fury
Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 06, 2013, 07:04:13 PM
Don't mock him hell come down with all power and fury
its not mocking.
its a rag not sealing like a gas cap does.
everyone has (or will have) a fillup of crappy gas, at a station. call it "ghost gas" because you can fill up all your buddies at the same pump, and only one of them gets it. fill up there for weeks, months, no problems.
the brand myth, is it sufficiently dead yet, or has -anyone- proven that one is better and I missed it ?
Bah you haven't posted any results or anyone else for the matter
One has to be better!
One has super-floobie-doo!
Another has super goble-dee-goop!
Shell is "nitrogen enhanced" Now that is for real! But what does that do? Air is 80% nitrogen and nitrogen is an inert gas. :dunno_black:
See addy knows
reminds me of few years ago... a particular bottled water .... with 'added' oxygen to make you feel even better-er .... and come to think of it... in Darling Harbour ($$ tourist trap area) in Sydney NSW. one of the mall areas has a 'oxygen' bar ... you can sit and sniff the freshness... or with flavours .. and i think even a plastic bottle take home pack of flavoured air :cookoo:
Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 07, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
Bah you haven't posted any results or anyone else for the matter
eggs zackery. we have to -prove- one is better. someone, somewhere, has proclaimed that they can 'feel a difference' when they use shell ultimate techron boobahpoobahpooo super octaint obliviolin RACE tech pooper fuel.
me, personally, i have never felt a difference in fuels, spark plugs (unless one is almost fouled) or air cleaners. sure, pour some water in it, or some oil, or some -whatever- and it might run like crap, but no one is going to see a difference in 86 SHELL or 106 FIREHORSE RACE SPECIAL BLEND. ever. if they claim to, lets see the test happen.
still, the clock tick tocks, and no one offers to prooooooooove they can. :thumb:
There should be almost no difference in a regular GS. The only reason to up the octane is to prevent pre-ignition due to a higher compression ratio within the combustion chamber, or a modification to timing. This is why certain motors require higher octane, and will knock with low grade fuel (built motors, turbos, etc.).
Since the GS was designed to run on 87 (low grade), you won't see any benefits to running a higher octane, unless you advance the timing quite a bit, or do some SERIOUS engine work to up the compression ratio.
What's there to argue? Use the fuel that the vehicle was designed for. That's why they pay the engineers the big bucks.
Yeah they pay them big bucks for f%$k all.
I didn't say "Suzuki engineers"... Lol.
Keep that list going
Yeah, engineers suck. I am one lol. My main point was that if a vehicle is designed with a lower compression ratio/lower power motor, it will run properly on lower octane fuel, meaning there's no need for higher octane, as it will offer no benefits.
But the fuel companies say....................... And there engineers........................ And I notice a difference.......................... Octane matters..............
One member told me a friend of his told him that knows motorcycles told him that his engine was knocking and pinging from pre-ignition so he should get higher octane to prevent that because a hot engine does pre-ignition that causes pinging and stuff and all that and so forth.....
My opinion on that is while high octane can help, first one should see why the engine is running hot which is probably due to a too lean a mixture.
Octane will only mask the real problem of running hot.
Out bikes are designed for 87 so no reason for higher. If higher makes a difference, something needs fixing. The carbs on his bike probably need cleaning. Slightly clogged, dirty jets will make it run lean. (and change pilot from 37 to 40)
Cleans the engine out runs cooler
I still reckon Old Bert from "worlds fastest Indian" was onto something.... he dropped half a nitrous oxide heart tablet into the tank before that run didnt he?..... that must have been a benefit!!! ... nitrous is fully hektic bro!!
Really great movie...one of my all time favorites!
Actually it was Nitroglycerin....heart medicine....(but the same stuff they make TNT and other explosives out of).......
Then again, in our RC model airplanes we use up to 60% nitro methane (40% methanol)
Cookie
Quote from: Janx101 on August 08, 2013, 05:08:37 PM
I still reckon Old Bert from "worlds fastest Indian" was onto something.... he dropped half a nitrous oxide heart tablet into the tank before that run didnt he?..... that must have been a benefit!!! ... nitrous is fully hektic bro!!
my bad!.. this morning i could remember nitro-something-ma-jigger :icon_lol:
always been curious if that concept had or has any basis to it... hmm :icon_question:
I think it may have just been a "gimmick" to make the movie more interesting...don't know that he actually did that in real life..
Cookie
Quote from: Janx101 on August 08, 2013, 07:09:55 PM
my bad!.. this morning i could remember nitro-something-ma-jigger :icon_lol:
always been curious if that concept had or has any basis to it... hmm :icon_question:
How bout a bottle of whiskey in the diesel tank to thin the mix to give an extra 50rpm like in down perriscope!
Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 08, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
How bout a bottle of whiskey in the diesel tank to thin the mix to give an extra 50rpm like in down perriscope!
i suppose that is on topic... http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f33/whiskey-38979/
but this from the same movie is funny!!
I do have a comment about getting fuel from some particular places. The less volume a specific fuel station does, that amount of condensation (depending on climate and weather conditions) tend to add up in the tanks. Low fuel use = more condensation forming in tanks. I live in the dirty south, there have been issues. But by far and large the WORST thing that's happened to me was filling up while the tanker was delivering fuel. EVIDENTLY all the crud and rust on the bottom of the tank is kicked up and the pump must not have had an adequate filter, I got a tank full of gunk that barely burned and I ended up taking it to a shop getting a new fuel filter as well.
I guess new places have stainless steel tanks and better filtration, just something to be on the look out for at a local "mom and pop" shop out in the boonies.
now then .. condensation loaded or dirty or old & cruddy ground tanks.... that would make a difference ! .. no matter what BRAND .. .... someone could go to a texaco in the boonies.. with cruddy tanks ... get a load of crudded fuel ... and from then on 'texaco' is crap fuel! .. :dunno_black:
Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 08, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
How bout a bottle of whiskey in the diesel tank to thin the mix to give an extra 50rpm like in down perriscope!
As I mentioned earlier, I have run a two-stroke on whiskey-oil mix before...and it did work. No real increase in power..engine just idled a little high and gave off an awesome exhaust smell. Was just for fun...but it DOES run a motor. So there is a little truth to it...
Quote from: nutmunk on August 14, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 08, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
How bout a bottle of whiskey in the diesel tank to thin the mix to give an extra 50rpm like in down perriscope!
As I mentioned earlier, I have run a two-stroke on whiskey-oil mix before...and it did work. No real increase in power..engine just idled a little high and gave off an awesome exhaust smell. Was just for fun...but it DOES run a motor. So there is a little truth to it...
you're awesome. I'm going to dream about whiskey 2 strokes tonight.
hey...if not, why not...it was just to see if it did actually work.
On topic though I will say this...in the gs, I haven't noticed any difference between 97 and 93. However, I also have a scooter. Because the scooter has a 4 litre tank, it's not hard to finish off a tank of gas quickly. I fill up at the same petrol station up the road from me every week on a Thursday and it takes me exactly a week to finish off a tank of gas. The fuel is sasol...locally manufactured from coal. I drive the same route every day to work. Because it's a scooter, I spend most of that ride with the throttle wide open. The scooter is not limited by anything other than the gearing and the weight of the bike (no electronic limiters etc in the cdi).
Now...having said all that...of I put in 93, she maxxes out at 80-85km/h. If I put 97, she hits 90. Not to say that the speedo is accurate, but it does get me an extra 5km/h.
Not only that, but I have also noticed that on 93, I average about 85km per 4 litres...which I know isn't great, but it's because I spend most of the ride in stop-start traffic. When I put in 97, I can rode for an extra day on the weekend and do an average of 93-95km on a tank.
Now, I realise that this could speak volumes about the quality of the 93 petrol available over here more than it does about octane rating, but it is the reason I use ONLY 97 in my vehicles. Or whiskey once.
For the last year I've been trying pretty much every type of petrol available to me, and I really find no difference in my GS. She likes 91 just as much as the 98 vortex fuel i put in it once, which is handy cause 98 is bloody expensive. I do however sometimes wonder about carbon buildup from lower octane fuels but i guess you'd be rebuilding the thing before it killed your engine, no?
Quote from: Zookmang on August 14, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
For the last year I've been trying pretty much every type of petrol available to me, and I really find no difference in my GS. She likes 91 just as much as the 98 vortex fuel i put in it once, which is handy cause 98 is bloody expensive. I do however sometimes wonder about carbon buildup from lower octane fuels but i guess you'd be rebuilding the thing before it killed your engine, no?
ahh yes, the carbon myth. lower octane fuels burn faster, and ignite more easily, which usually means
less carbon.
Quote from: nutmunk on August 14, 2013, 06:35:20 PM
hey...if not, why not...it was just to see if it did actually work.
On topic though I will say this...in the gs, I haven't noticed any difference between 97 and 93. However, I also have a scooter. Because the scooter has a 4 litre tank, it's not hard to finish off a tank of gas quickly. I fill up at the same petrol station up the road from me every week on a Thursday and it takes me exactly a week to finish off a tank of gas. The fuel is sasol...locally manufactured from coal. I drive the same route every day to work. Because it's a scooter, I spend most of that ride with the throttle wide open. The scooter is not limited by anything other than the gearing and the weight of the bike (no electronic limiters etc in the cdi).
Now...having said all that...of I put in 93, she maxxes out at 80-85km/h. If I put 97, she hits 90. Not to say that the speedo is accurate, but it does get me an extra 5km/h.
Not only that, but I have also noticed that on 93, I average about 85km per 4 litres...which I know isn't great, but it's because I spend most of the ride in stop-start traffic. When I put in 97, I can rode for an extra day on the weekend and do an average of 93-95km on a tank.
Now, I realise that this could speak volumes about the quality of the 93 petrol available over here more than it does about octane rating, but it is the reason I use ONLY 97 in my vehicles. Or whiskey once.
is it fuel injected ?
What's the best fuel for my DL650?
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Quote from: ohgood on August 15, 2013, 04:57:15 AM
Quote from: Zookmang on August 14, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
For the last year I've been trying pretty much every type of petrol available to me, and I really find no difference in my GS. She likes 91 just as much as the 98 vortex fuel i put in it once, which is handy cause 98 is bloody expensive. I do however sometimes wonder about carbon buildup from lower octane fuels but i guess you'd be rebuilding the thing before it killed your engine, no?
ahh yes, the carbon myth. lower octane fuels burn faster, and ignite more easily, which usually means
less carbon.
I thought a well tuned engine produced less carbon deposits?
Your wrong janx a well tuned engine produces POWER!!!!!! On vortex 98 no less
Nah .. That's a well built engine for power! ... KB500+CID .. Nitromethane fuel ... That's power
Quote from: ohgood on August 15, 2013, 04:57:15 AM
Quote from: Zookmang on August 14, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
For the last year I've been trying pretty much every type of petrol available to me, and I really find no difference in my GS. She likes 91 just as much as the 98 vortex fuel i put in it once, which is handy cause 98 is bloody expensive. I do however sometimes wonder about carbon buildup from lower octane fuels but i guess you'd be rebuilding the thing before it killed your engine, no?
ahh yes, the carbon myth. lower octane fuels burn faster, and ignite more easily, which usually means
less carbon.
So i get good performance and less carbon from 91 for less money! Tops! :D
Ship engine (big one) that's power
Quote from: ohgood on August 15, 2013, 04:57:54 AM
Quote from: nutmunk on August 14, 2013, 06:35:20 PM
hey...if not, why not...it was just to see if it did actually work.
On topic though I will say this...in the gs, I haven't noticed any difference between 97 and 93. However, I also have a scooter. Because the scooter has a 4 litre tank, it's not hard to finish off a tank of gas quickly. I fill up at the same petrol station up the road from me every week on a Thursday and it takes me exactly a week to finish off a tank of gas. The fuel is sasol...locally manufactured from coal. I drive the same route every day to work. Because it's a scooter, I spend most of that ride with the throttle wide open. The scooter is not limited by anything other than the gearing and the weight of the bike (no electronic limiters etc in the cdi).
Now...having said all that...of I put in 93, she maxxes out at 80-85km/h. If I put 97, she hits 90. Not to say that the speedo is accurate, but it does get me an extra 5km/h.
Not only that, but I have also noticed that on 93, I average about 85km per 4 litres...which I know isn't great, but it's because I spend most of the ride in stop-start traffic. When I put in 97, I can rode for an extra day on the weekend and do an average of 93-95km on a tank.
Now, I realise that this could speak volumes about the quality of the 93 petrol available over here more than it does about octane rating, but it is the reason I use ONLY 97 in my vehicles. Or whiskey once.
is it fuel injected ?
Nope...carb.
Quote from: codajastal on August 15, 2013, 05:13:10 AM
What's the best fuel for my DL650?
Sent from my iPad using a big stick
According to the owners manual for a k4 - before you bike's year - http://www.v-strom.co.uk/downloads/DL650K4OwnersManual.pdf the answer is 91 or higher (87 or higher for Canadians) :thumb:
Quote from: mister on August 17, 2013, 04:16:36 AM
Quote from: codajastal on August 15, 2013, 05:13:10 AM
What's the best fuel for my DL650?
Sent from my iPad using a big stick
According to the owners manual for a k4 - before you bike's year - http://www.v-strom.co.uk/downloads/DL650K4OwnersManual.pdf the answer is 91 or higher (87 or higher for Canadians) :thumb:
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"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a mechanic."
Interesting statement....
But hanging out in garages is a good way to BECOME a mechanic...a first step anyway..
Cookie
So the thread is about having something to argue over then?! ..... :dunno_black: ... Sounds fair enough I spose .. Like every other thread and forum ultimately eh
Quote from: twocool on August 18, 2013, 03:07:45 AM
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a mechanic."
Interesting statement....
But hanging out in garages is a good way to BECOME a mechanic...a first step anyway..
Cookie
Not if you are the only one in the garage!! :thumb:
now that's just not true.
you, and a digital camera to record your moves to put it back together (or for the archaic a notebook and pencil) can teach one volumes.
i was a mechanic long before someone else taught me anything.
Quote from: mr. happy on August 18, 2013, 10:17:24 AM
now that's just not true.
you, and a digital camera to record your moves to put it back together (or for the archaic a notebook and pencil) can teach one volumes.
i was a mechanic long before someone else taught me anything.
True...I started following my father around as soon as I could walk
(pay attention, and the questions better be good), by 14 I was pulling engines unassisted, at 16 I went into a full time job at a truck repair shop where my formal training
actually started.
That's quite true, i had an old veedub i was working on once and by labelling and taking pictures i could properly see how the thing worked step by step. Taught me lots, especially the fact that veedubs are rustbuckets. :icon_lol: