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Started by doshii, February 23, 2005, 07:56:06 PM

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davipu

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just lucky, cause when you hit the starter and she's in gear with the clutch out she jumps pretty good. so  unless you got the death grip going your going to let go of the starter button and then you realize what a dumbass you were and you pull in the clutch.  now if you have a scooter like mine  you just don't do that, for me all it takes is a bump on the starter to kick it over and she goes, and I really don't feel like chasing her down the street.

side note: any ideas on converting to a kick start?

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oh and just get her up on the center stand so the rear tire is off the ground so you don't have to worry about taking off when you hit the starter.

no the bike won't start with the clutch out if you reverse the wires.  the switch is just a single pole DC switch that grounds out the relay for the starter siliniod. so by pulling in the clutch all you are doing is completing the circut allowing the juice to flow.  so just bypass it and see if it works if it does then you know what to fix.

thread jack again: bump starting the bike,
fast duck walk or sidesaddle? once I became comfortable sitting side saddle on the bike than bumping it that way became the easiest.  that  and it looks alot cooler when you are pushing it in a parking lot in front of a bunch of people, and you just hop on and ride away.  

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cernunos

That's my point...why are you hitting the starter with the thing in gear and the clutch out? Then again, all but one of my bikes was kick-start so you'd probably notice real quick if it was in gear. BTW, on the old Triumphs, you couldn't start it unless the clutch WAS engaged. Pull the clutch lever in and when you kick you don't turn over the motor. Love the Baby G and the forum.

C.......
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se7enty7

Quote from: cernunosThat's my point...why are you hitting the starter with the thing in gear and the clutch out? Then again, all but one of my bikes was kick-start so you'd probably notice real quick if it was in gear. BTW, on the old Triumphs, you couldn't start it unless the clutch WAS engaged. Pull the clutch lever in and when you kick you don't turn over the motor. Love the Baby G and the forum.

C.......

I dunno WTF you guys would want kickstart for.  All my dirtbikes had kickstarts... SCREW that

Kerry

Quote from: davipuno the bike won't start with the clutch out if you reverse the wires.
You're right about the wires themselves - sorta.  On the newer models the wires don't matter; the bike will only start with the clutch out if you reverse the switch under the cover where the wires attach.

But on an older bike with the setup in starwalt's photo, you would "reverse the wires" by (accidentally?) spinning that contact plate 180 degrees -- since they're permanently attached.  The end effect would be the same.
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hammu

there is two fuses, check them both (see picture)
my bike burns fuses when stunting. funny when standing on tank or wheelie, SNAP! engine stops

Check cool pictures @ http://koti.mbnet.fi/hammu/apinointi


God drives a harley, but devil rides a STREETFIGHTER

Kerry

Quote from: doshiiYeah, I'm getting zero. The lights and everything work perfectly though
If the lights work the fuse must be OK.

But for more details on how to check the fuse(s), see this post.
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average

hammu, ur doing endos on a gs?! u must like replacing those fork seals :)
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doshii

You guys are far, far too kind.

I'll let you all know as soon as I fix it, which looks like it will be tomorrow. These pictures are really helpful! It's just incredibly frustrating, because I know that I wouldn't have figured that out in 10,000 years.

Thanks again you folks.
Doshii
1994 GS500 "Yukari Suzuki"

John Bates

Quote from: cernunosDo we need safety devices 'cuz we're stoopid, ignorant or tip-toin' thru the toolips? ..........

Nope, cause we're just human. :o  :x  :roll:  :mrgreen:  :dunno:  :guns:  :lol:  :cheers:  :(  :)  :P  ;)  :nono:  8)
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Ry_Guy

I had to replace my clutch lever once and the same thing happened. I pulled in apart again and saw that the moving contact piece (as displayed in starwalt's pic) was not exactly in place. And it was over greased and not making any metal-to-metal contact. kind of a pain to work with since it's so small :guns:   Be sure it's in there right, and work the clutch lever a few good pulls before trying to start her up.

Mat

Quote from: averagehammu, ur doing endos on a gs?! u must like replacing those fork seals :)
so thats why my fork seals keep going
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doshii

It worked. The piece had slipped into the little slot where it's supposed to fit; now it's where it's supposed to be. I wondered why it was so hard to manipulate the broken piece I had to yank out; now I know.

Sorry I'm not making much sense. But this is a feeling I cannot describe. My freedom has been given back to me through you folks. I cannot thank you enough. I'll have to order my subscription to Motorcyclist through you guys. This is way too much. Thank you.

Oh, and Yukari also adds her own "arigatou gozaimasu!"
Doshii
1994 GS500 "Yukari Suzuki"

cernunos

Now hug that little GS and cherish this forum.

C.......
Don't hurt, don't take, don't force
(Everybody should own an HD at least once)
(AMF bowling balls don't count)
Jake D for President 2008

The Buddha

Quote from: doshiiIt worked. The piece had slipped into the little slot where it's supposed to fit; now it's where it's supposed to be. I wondered why it was so hard to manipulate the broken piece I had to yank out; now I know.

Sorry I'm not making much sense. But this is a feeling I cannot describe. My freedom has been given back to me through you folks. I cannot thank you enough. I'll have to order my subscription to Motorcyclist through you guys. This is way too much. Thank you.

Oh, and Yukari also adds her own "arigatou gozaimasu!"

Yea hard to believe that that little bit has a Little copper colored U shaoped metal piece, a spring and a slider plastic piece ... and we wonder why it fails so much ...  :lol:
BTW You exclaiming in nepali ??? Bengali ??? Too much like nepali to me ...
Cool.
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davipu

Japanese. gee, havn't you everseen goldmember?

hammu

average:

fork seals changed 2003 winter..

this winter --> huge front forks upgrade
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Rema1000

Quote from: hammuthere is two fuses, check them both (see picture)

The fuse on the left, under the red cover, is the one the bike uses.  The fuse on the right is just the spare fuse holder... it is not attached to anything electrical.
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hammu

rema1000:

in my bike, if i take that fuse off, lights and other useless shaZam! wont work.

the electrical wiring has been redone once, by the previous owner.
i dunno WTF he did do.

but that is my bike. 2 fuses
God drives a harley, but devil rides a STREETFIGHTER

drincruz

Quote from: Kerry on February 24, 2005, 12:55:12 AM
Questions:
    1) Put the bike in Neutral and see if it will start with the clutch lever OUT.  If so, you may have mounted the switch backwards.

    2) I'm assuming your clutch switch looks like the photo below.  Am I right?  (The earliest model years apparently didn't have this switch - I'm not sure when it was added.)  All the switch does is "join" the two wires together to close the safety circuit.  If the switch is actually broken or missing - rather than installed backwards - you can try pushing the connectors over both ends of a paper clip and taping them in place.  Just be aware that your bike will then start regardless of the clutch lever position.[/list:u]



If I/we got it wrong, let me/us know!

i know this is an old thread, but wow this really saved me hours of tinkering around on the bike.

so quick history, i changed out my handlebars and now needed to put back the controls. i pulled a little bit too far on the clutch lever assembly and one of the metal conductors for the clutch safety switch snapped off.  after that, i couldn't get the bike started at all.

now, after reading this thread i cut a small piece of electrical wire and inserted it in both connectors closing the circuit. now, the bike starts! (without the clutch)

i already ordered a replacement part, but at least i can still go riding!  :thumb:

cheers,
~drin[/list]

Dr.Sparkie

when my bike was used as a track bike ALL the safety interlocks were removed. this clutch switch neutral switch sidestand switch stuff always seems a little silly to me. I say hack it off, it makes the bike more reliable, and the first time you pull away with the sidestand down you will bloody well remember to put it up the next :)
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