Quote from: blue05twin on June 13, 2006, 11:41:29 AM
Speeding is speeding. .  . go around a blind corner while speeding.  To wide hit a car kill driver and passanger but senes it's in the twisties it's ok?
Not saying what they were doing is right just saying that it's hypocritical for people to pass judemnent on something that they do also.

No I dont do this so bite my ass, I am not being hypocritical.

My next question is how many people speed down the road at 100+mph???  If you do guess what, you could end up like the dude in the aforementioned article.

and deserve to be in hell because some human thinks his judgement is absolute - A little arrogant

At 140 MPH the bike was traveling 203 feet per second.  At 60 MPH you would travel 87 feet per second.  Other drivers anticipate a normal approach speed/time/distance when making their decisions.  At a 140 MPH  closing speed the driver of the van never had a chance to make the right decision.  God rest all their souls.

I never said he needed to go to hell.  I just said he was an asshat.  I dont believe in hell.  I do believe in dead, though.

Quote from: blue05twin on June 13, 2006, 11:19:33 AM
I'll re-read the article but I don't see where it said they were doing over 140 mpg just said the cagers said they were going really fast.  Yeah really fast = ? MPH?.  Cagers saying a bike was going really fast. . compared to what?  I was just basing my oppions on that article.  

It wasn't in the article.  It's what the other biker said.

Quote from: bargovic on June 13, 2006, 07:01:35 AMLater reports mentioned that he was on a kawasaki ninja doing 140+. That was what the other rider he was racing told police.  It hit the van like a missle and blew up.

Quote from: ajgs500 on June 13, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
I just said he was an asshat.  I dont believe in hell.  I do believe in dead, though.

Well said.

Stupidity Kills Stupidly.


thats all im gonna say

Quote from: Blueknyt on June 13, 2006, 12:31:19 PM
Stupidity Kills Stupidly.


thats all im gonna say

what?

It's not possible for any of us to know what actually happened, and therefore I don't think any one of us should be blaming anyone.  Was the motorcycle going too fast?  I think that's obvious, and the motorcyclist is a jackass for it.  At those speeds even if he was paying attention, ANY slight distraction could have resulted in an accident.  He was racing another biker, he could have looked over at the other biker for a split second and the next thing he knows  he's inside the van.  Who knows what the person driving the van was thinking?  Did he see the biker and decide he could make the turn?  or maybe he didn't see the biker at all; we don't even know if he even took the time to look down the road!  Unless one of us were actually in that van or on that bike there's no way for any of us to know what happened.  I guess what I'm saying is that this is a sad, sad thing to have happened.  I'm going to leave it at that, there's no way I will ever know enough to assign blame so I wont even try.  I pray for both of their families.

Dorianfes

I don't believe in Hell either, but when I get there I'm gonna kick this assh*le in the nuts as hard as I can a thousand times. Maybe even shove a pineapple up his arse a time or two. HE KILLED FOUR PEOPLE!!!

Blatant disregard for the safety of others.  No way around it. Even with the minimal info provided and the fact that we weren't there to witness the accident.

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Incidents like this are what most of the voting non-motorcyclists see and use to decide our fate.
Motorcyclists as a whole must find a way to differenciate ourselves from the inexperienced dumbasses on 500lb bikes with 170hp, who end up giving us a bad name.

~~edit - as a side note, I'd like to point out the title of this thread ....kinda proves my point.  Our parents read an article like this and think we are gonna die riding motorcycles.
NON-motorcyclists will not fully understand the diffence between this guys recklessness and normal daily driving practices

Quote from: 3imo on June 13, 2006, 02:27:32 PM
Incidents like this are what most of the voting non-motorcyclists see and use to decide our fate.
Motorcyclists as a whole must find a way to differenciate ourselves from the inexperienced dumbasses on 500lb bikes with 170hp, who end up giving us a bad name.

~~edit - as a side note, I'd like to point out the title of this thread ....kinda proves my point.  Our parents read an article like this and think we are gonna die riding motorcycles.
NON-motorcyclists will not fully understand the diffence between this guys recklessness and normal daily driving practices

There's my concern every time I hear of stories from Ben R. to this one.  How many of you have heard comments that supersport bikes shouldn't even be street legal?  This crap just gives them ammunition to take away our bikes. 

I'm gonna have to come down against the biker.  If he was going a reasonable speed, in all likelyhood this would not have happened.  Instead, 5 people are dead.

Quote from: Kasumi on June 13, 2006, 04:42:54 AM
Im a firm believer motorcycles can travel at higher speeds than cars safley so long as the rider has a high ability.

Why do you say that? That doesn't make any sense. I do believe that people driving a regular car or truck, suv, or just a POS should stay at the limit. But what about a sports car, they are made to be able to handle much better than your standard car, truck, suv....

Just to be fair, the article has changed several times since i posted it. Typical sun gazette. I think they even changed the town the kid was from. The 140+ was what i think a news station reported the other rider saying. Not confirmed, but def 100+ mph confirmed.  The other rider also told them they were weaving in and out of traffic, then the missle biker over took him on that straight away and hit the van.

That kid was a jackass for sure. And it sucks 110% for that family of 4 in the van. But dont say it was the drivers fault, it is def an easy way to miss judge the closing time of a bike going that fast. And in the defense of the reckless biker.... Its a 20 year old on a super sport. I think any of us in that catagory have made the same mistake of wanting to give the bike all its got. Just the majority are lucky enough to not hit a van, or were smart and fought the urge.

Now the jackass in the old rusty nissan that ran me off the road onto the shoulder today... he looked me right in the face, stopped his car, then at the last second decided to pull out  as fast as he could. luckly i was only going 50mph and ended up on the shoulder swearing instead of in his back seat, or the ditch.

Quote from: porsche4786 on June 13, 2006, 05:26:25 PM

Quote from: Kasumi on June 13, 2006, 04:42:54 AM
Im a firm believer motorcycles can travel at higher speeds than cars safley so long as the rider has a high ability.

Why do you say that? That doesn't make any sense. I do believe that people driving a regular car or truck, suv, or just a POS should stay at the limit. But what about a sports car, they are made to be able to handle much better than your standard car, truck, suv....

I dunno i just think from riding on track and on the road that its alot easier to maintain a higher speed on a bike than on a road. Im obviously not condoning speeding on busy roads but round here there isnt a road you will find with more than 3 cars on it. And i think you can see much further on bikes you pay alot more attention on bikes (genrally if your not a loony) because when your in your car you feel safe and if a car pulls out of junction while your speeding, theres no way your going to avoid it (too big, too heavy and you dont see it) I dunno what roads are like in america but its easier to go faster IF you want to over here.

Quote from: Kasumi on June 14, 2006, 02:22:28 AM

Quote from: porsche4786 on June 13, 2006, 05:26:25 PM

Quote from: Kasumi on June 13, 2006, 04:42:54 AM
Im a firm believer motorcycles can travel at higher speeds than cars safley so long as the rider has a high ability.

Why do you say that? That doesn't make any sense. I do believe that people driving a regular car or truck, suv, or just a POS should stay at the limit. But what about a sports car, they are made to be able to handle much better than your standard car, truck, suv....

I dunno i just think from riding on track and on the road that its alot easier to maintain a higher speed on a bike than on a road. Im obviously not condoning speeding on busy roads but round here there isnt a road you will find with more than 3 cars on it. And i think you can see much further on bikes you pay alot more attention on bikes (genrally if your not a loony) because when your in your car you feel safe and if a car pulls out of junction while your speeding, theres no way your going to avoid it (too big, too heavy and you dont see it) I dunno what roads are like in america but its easier to go faster IF you want to over here.

Actually...cars do handle better than motorcycles.... If you take a 911 and an R1, the 911 will win. The 911 can out brake and out handle the R1. I don't know about you, but I can only see soo far no matter what. I can be in my car and do 100 and it doesn't even feel like it, but I don't do that anymore because here you get a $1,000 ticket for doing 100mph.

In a car you can't overtake things or avoid things in the road as easily as you can on a bike, on a track sure maybe a 911 can turn quicker than a bike but on the road they can't because by the time they see the obstruction they have to swerve which in a car at high speed will cause a a sprin and a wreck. Whereas a bike its a case of shifting your weight and adjusting your direction. As u said in a car u also can't tell your going as fast as you are, on a bike you can and thus are more alert.

But in a car, you could just run whatever over, or let it go under/snow plow it. I guess it depends on what it is, but if it's that big, you would see it ahead of time. If your on a highway and your doing this with low traffic you can see a long way ahead, so if there were debres you would be fine no matter what.