I don't know if this is true or not...  But, if it is, it's pretty much what I thought...  People KNEW he was a nutter...

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

Quote from: RVertigo on April 17, 2007, 12:48:29 PM


I don't know if this is true or not...  But, if it is, it's pretty much what I thought...  People KNEW he was a nutter...

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

same story every time... "we always though he was a wierd one..." etc etc... and it always ends like this!!!  people need to wake up to this garbage and do something about it...

No doubt it was his fault and his choice.

However, parents and family are never scrutinized as much as they should be in cases like this. They must be a huge part of this equation. If you read his play: http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001
it's a violent rant about a 13 year old kid who gets molested by his stepdad.

Hardcore mental, emotional, and physical abuse are the norm with some 'traditional' asian parents/families. I know this from experience and have seen it plenty of times. No doubt the parents are f%$ked up dysfunctional beyond belief. The parents had to have left their imprint on this guy and if you haven't had an abusive parent(s) you won't ever fully understand. Same with any other school shooter, addict, suicide, or fuckup. Good homes make good people.

That said, he should have killed himself, or been stopped and sent into treatment before this ever happened.

Does anyone have Nate's contact information? I've tried to call him several times, but I don't know if I have the wrong/outdated number or what. Anybody?

Quote from: LPC2104 on April 16, 2007, 03:46:08 PM
[edit] - You check in soon too NateDawg.

He'll check in.  He's likely got a few more important things on his mind than GSTwins, but he'll come back soon.

-Dan

You know, that right to bear arms ... I am sure it doesn't cover semi automatics with rapid fire mechanisms and high capacity magazines.
Heck, I am all for repealing gun laws ... if everyone has to carry a rifle. Forget even rifle. 1 shot revolver ... between shots you'll have to reload. Works well for self defense, completely prevents massacres. That way, he'd have shot 1 person, or 2 if he was a good shot and had 2 guns, before someone in the class would have shot him.
Also I dont get this gun control BS ... say they ban guns right now ... OK they expect these crimes to stop like tommorow ... WTF ... there is a 100 million out there with plenty of ammo to last a few decades. They ban them all now, that will have no effect for 10 years. then it will gradually start to come down. I'd start out by banning everything other than 1 or 2 shot revolvers. Those you have to have permits to carry, if you want to carry a rifle, no permit needed. That way, everyone knows you're packing, cops will prolly harass you more, but you dont have the capacity or the element of surprise and best of all if you're a responsible citizen you would dissuade others from using theirs in a public space.
Cool.
Srinath.

Only probalem with gun control law's is they effect the law abiding citizens more than the criminals (sp?).  I know Hui got his legaly but a majority of the criminals out there own / have black market guns.  It would take me 20 min from my work to aquire a 9mm with no serial numbers and no back round check.  So basically gun control law's would stop the occasional nut cake , who doesn't now how to buy a handgun illegaly but won't have any effect on the regular criminals.  And you would end up with a world where all the criminals have guns and all the law abiding citizens don't.

Look at it this way, people on campus where not allowed to carry handguns, so no one could stop Hui.  If the other students were armed Hui would not have been able to kill so many people. 

This event has sparked a rather heated debate over gun laws and regulation on the Two Wheeled Texans board I am also a member of.

http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17118

Seems like 10 minutes is a fast buy time for someone's first firearm. In this state there's a waiting period... I bet this event is going to change gun laws forever, leaning towards more control.

I was never one way or the other but I have to agree with more restriction. Australia is the model to follow, they restricted and did a buyback after a massacre there. Wont prevent, but helps take away from the problem. 

From what I remember reading, he did wait for them...  He bought them a month ago (or something)...

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I recall.

There isn't  a waiting period, theres a background check that takes like 5minutes. Virginia law states however that you can only buy one gun (or handgun i don't recall) a month. He bought the glock first then the .22


Alot of my family and friends are hardcore gun rights NRA members...everyone agrees that first time gun buyers should be subjected to a psych consult..either approving or denying their right to buy guns..it won't help via the illegal end but..maybe it might help something...

There has never been any case were violent crime has stopped or been limited by gun control.

On the VT or any campus in Virginia it is illegal to carry(concealed or other wise) weapons in class rooms or dorms IIRC.  But this fact didn't seem to bother Cho.  Nor would any other law limiting or banning firearms. 

In 1999 the Columbine shooting were during the "assault weapon" ban.  At that time you couldn't have a magazine (they are NOT called clips) over 10 rounds.  They used bolt action rifles (basically single shot), and killed 13 people.

In the case of VT, if one student, faculty, or any other person would have been armed, this would not have claimed the lives of 32 innocent victims.  Virginia has roughly 150,000 CHL(Concealed Handgun License) holders.  I don't wish or want everyone armed.  Many people simply aren't comfortable having any sort of firearm.  But some of us are, and very capable of dealing with any nut case or predator that is also armed.  Most CHL holders I know, practice at least once a month with their weapons, and are some of the most level headed people you will meet.  But I've been in the bad places, and I've watched human nature.  There are always going to be bad people, not just the nut case either.  A handgun is a tool that will help equalize the physical differences between people with a predatory mindset and those of us that don't.  People with this mentality will always prey on those they perceive as weak, and Cho was no different.  He chose a place that he KNEW he could inflict major damage with little or no interference. 

Quote from: jimbo1 on April 18, 2007, 04:10:29 PM
In the case of VT, if one student, faculty, or any other person would have been armed, this might not have claimed the lives of 32 innocent victims.  

For the most part I agree with not allowing guns in buildings on campus.  If you want to put guns on campus put them in the hands of armed security, just because as an American you can buy a gun doesn't mean they should go everywhere with you.

No wait huh?  Lame...   

If they make owning a gun criminal, then only criminals will own guns..... 

But, why do we have to take training and tests to drive a car and ride a motorcycle, but not to own a gun or have kids?

RVert I love your outlooks..I agree with you completely...

And how nuts is it that a guy with two stalking cases on his record and known psychological problems can walk out of a gun store with 550 rounds and a Glock?

Some common sense wouldn't hurt the NRA.... 

I agree with the right to bear arms -- we may someday need to rise up against a fascist government -- but we can't let lunatics have them easily or we invite this very scenario.

RVert: great idea, there should be some sort of mandatory training class!!
When I bought my first handgun the dealer ( who shall remain nameless, because I always get great deals there ) didn't even look at my ID.  He just handed the form to me to fill out   As far as Armed Security: They have it, and call it Campus Police. Unfortunately ( at least here ) they are more concerned with traffic citations, seeing as that's what ensures they get paid   I've never seen a single one inside of a building on campus until the other day when they searched dorms   We had a county cop last year be suspended from duty because he carried when he attended class at the college.  How f%&ked up is that

Quote from: trumpetguy on April 18, 2007, 07:52:31 PM
And how nuts is it that a guy with two stalking cases on his record and known psychological problems can walk out of a gun store with 550 rounds and a Glock?

Some common sense wouldn't hurt the NRA.... 

I agree with the right to bear arms -- we may someday need to rise up against a fascist government -- but we can't let lunatics have them easily or we invite this very scenario.

I am curious about this too. Because if he's been TDO'ed which is what appears to be from current media reports, (mental health detention order signed by a magistrate) his purchases were NOT LEGAL, he lied on the forms, it should have been detected and DENIED during the background check and followed up on by the State Police.

Quote from: Onlypastrana199 on April 18, 2007, 02:31:38 PM
There isn't  a waiting period, theres a background check that takes like 5minutes. Virginia law states however that you can only buy one gun (or handgun i don't recall) a month. He bought the glock first then the .22


Alot of my family and friends are hardcore gun rights NRA members...everyone agrees that first time gun buyers should be subjected to a psych consult..either approving or denying their right to buy guns..it won't help via the illegal end but..maybe it might help something...

It's only 5 minutes if you pass it with a clean record. If you have something questionable it is delayed from hours to days while they check. One handgun per month; concealed carry licensees are exempt from that restriction.

I'm not really for or against firearm control.   I do think people should  have to take a mandatory psych exam before they can take a firearm home.  I don't see how a msf type class would help with gun owners operatin a pistol / firearm is really simple.

Tighter gun control law's won't effect the criminal element.  Since tigher gun control laws have been enforced in Canada and Austraila the crime rate has risen.  Tighter gun control laws will only effect the law abiding people and the occasional nutcase.  But for the majority of the criminals out there it will only make their victims more helpless.

Explain how would tighter gun control laws stop a criminal from heading to the local crack dealer and buying a gun?   10 to 15 min's from my job and I can have an illegal handgun with no serial numbers on it. 

Hate to say it but here is no easy answer to fix this we all wish that this didn't happen and we want to do someting so that it will not happen again in the future.   But the sad truth is tighter gun laws won't do it.

What's worse is that if Hui didn't kill himself and surrendered he would be in a nice warm room with padded walls getting 3 meals a day saying he was insane or misunderstood or some other bs.  I do belive that the crime should = the punishment.  Kill someone then you should be killed no jail time no life in prison.  Rob someone = cut your primary hand off.  Rape = well you get the idea.  Maybe that would make some of criminals out there think before they acted.