'02+ Kat wheel work for rear swap?

O.C.D. · September 14, 2009, 10:27:31 AM

Been reading a lot about this and is seems that an '02+ wheel will work. I just want to make sure as they are cheaper than the slated '98-'02 wheels.

Thanks guys

psyber_0ptix · September 14, 2009, 06:15:49 PM

yes...just use the GS cush/sprocket carrier and depending on the tire used, shim the sprocket and maybe space/mod the brake arm. Not really that bad though, i used a bandit brake arm with no mod.

O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 07:49:13 AM

Wow, finally an answer, lol.

Ok, I am glad you stated this, but I have a couple more questions.

Do I also use the GS rotor or do I need to source a Katana rotor? I found a wheel I am going to bid on but it has no rotor.

As for the bandit brake arm, what year would work? I have found these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370248205335&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-BANDIT-600-REAR-CALIPER-BRAKE-TORQUE-ARM_W0QQitemZ170319418770QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item27a7d41592&_trksid=p4506.m20.l1116

I also found this Katana arm, would that work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250496730344&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks for the help.

O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 08:38:36 AM

Would this wheel work if the bearings were changed? Seems to be the only issue I think. If that is true, then you have many options and not just Kat wheels. Hell, who wouldn't replace the bearings anyway?!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JV2618-SUZUKI-SV650-1999-99-REAR-RIM-WHEEL-TIRE-ROTOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef5c113caQQitemZ270411043786QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Are there any years of SV650 wheels that would not work?

psyber_0ptix · September 15, 2009, 10:16:01 AM

sv650 wheels might work but regardless, swap the Kat bearings out with GS ones if you are using the GS rear axle. Bandit arm....i'm not really sure i had two bandit arms on hand, one was a 1200 and an older 600. I ~think~ i used the 600 because it's a short arm. I had to shim by one washer but it works fine.

Using a 160 tire there is very little clearance between the chain and the arm. In fact, it may be under the 'recommended' limit, but it's not rubbing (swingarm is non-issue)

Cliffnotes:
Use 98+ kat wheel
Use GS bearings
MUST USE KATANA or Hayabusa REAR ROTOR (5bolt vs GS's 4bolt)
Use GS sprocket carrier/cush
Shim the back of drive sprocket with one or two washers depending on how wide of tire
Brake arm, you are on your own. Bandit or bend your GS one (shop can heat it with torch and bend for clearance of tire)
Use the GS axle, spacers

O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 10:51:09 AM

Got all of that, but I am undecided on some things still.

The 98+ Katana wheels are the same as the SV from what I have found. Therefore, can you not use a SV wheel and install GS bearings and be good to go? From what I can tell the part numbers are very similar if not nearly exact. I ask this because there are %60 more SV wheels out there.

SV rotors are also 5 bolt patterned. Without certainty it seems that they are the same as the Katana as well.

Why not get an SV650 wheel/rotor combo, add gs bearings, Katana brake bracket, GS cush/drive, shim it up and have the same thing as a Katana swap?

Someone on here has to know this?! I thank you Psyber of course as I know you have done the Katana swap. I think I am on the right track and would love some more feedback.

I just can't buy it and try, but like I said, from research it seems that this is feasible?!?!?!?!?

average · September 15, 2009, 02:05:57 PM

No one has done it. You would probably be the first.

psyber_0ptix · September 15, 2009, 02:10:15 PM

i almost want to say it will work... except that the rear axle on the SV is different than the Katana IIRC. IF the outer diameter is the same as the GS/Katana then you are gold...provided that the rear rotor has the same offset and is the same diameter as the katana/GS (katana is actually a smidge smaller than the GS)

psyber_0ptix · September 15, 2009, 02:12:23 PM

according to this thread it should be straight forward as the Katana wheel

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=40075.0

just try to see if you can cross reference part numbers on the rear wheel by some parts fische. If intercompatible, then bearing selections are a breeze.

O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 02:23:58 PM

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O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 02:25:23 PM

As you can see near the bottom there are sv and Katana's that use the same part number. I think this would work?! Hell, if that is the case this would make it much easier for everyone who pays higher prices for a Katana rim.

O.C.D. · September 15, 2009, 02:26:55 PM

Quote from: psyber_0ptix on September 15, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
according to this thread it should be straight forward as the Katana wheel

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=40075.0

just try to see if you can cross reference part numbers on the rear wheel by some parts fische. If intercompatible, then bearing selections are a breeze.

So, just swap the SV bearings to Katana bearings and you should be golden. I am a hairs breath away from ordering an SV setup now.

Just need to confirm rotors as well........................

psyber_0ptix · September 16, 2009, 03:00:35 AM

are katana axles the same as GS? if no, then you need to use GS bearings

JEREMY JOCK · September 16, 2009, 07:44:05 AM

I didn't want to start a new thread, but I wanted to get something clarified...

I just picked up this Kat wheel from a guy down the street, FOR FREE!!!

I don't know what year it is or what specific model it's from, but I just wanted to know will it work? I know I need to swap out the bearings for the GS ones, and use the GS spacers. Also I know about the cush/sprocket, and spacing the sprocket.

As for the brake control arm (because I WILL be using a 160 tire

), I read somewhere that you can use a Bandit brake arm, without modding it. Is this true? If so, what year/model do I need so I can do that. I'm limited on tools, that's why I'm looking for something besides torching/bending my own.

psyber_0ptix · September 16, 2009, 08:14:29 AM

you probably read somewhere in the posts above on this very thread re: bandit torque arm

i'm using an unmodded bandit arm. it doesnt rub, i shimmed the rear sprocket with two washers. it doesnt rub. But both the chain and the arm are VERY close to the chicken strip of the tire. I'm not worried.

that free wheel of yours, will work. it's 98+ kat

JEREMY JOCK · September 16, 2009, 08:30:43 AM

Nice, thanks man.

O.C.D. · September 16, 2009, 08:35:02 AM

Not only did you thread jack, but you come here talking about a free wheel?! That blows man.

J/k

Nice find there! Looks like a 98+ wheel so you are golden.

dgyver · September 16, 2009, 09:33:20 AM

The GS, 1st gen SV and Katana all use the same rear wheel bearing... no bearing swap required.

The 1st gen SV rear wheel is the same as the 98+ Kat rear wheel.

O.C.D. · September 16, 2009, 09:36:54 AM

dgyver - would a second gen wheel work as well? They are compatible as far as I can tell.

dgyver · September 16, 2009, 09:40:36 AM

The bearings are different on the 2nd gen SV.

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