I love this show.  About 12x funnier than watching all the neighborhood fatties hitting on the one black dude at the pool.  


"The basis of music is math.  If you don't like music, then you don't like math.  And math is a gift from god.  So, if you don't like singing in church, you're disappointing Jesus."
Irrefutable logic.  Sign me up! 

Hey now

This thread is like a   d o u c h e   competition.  I'm currently in 3rd place.  

i don't believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus or a god.  as a matter of fact the jesus story is a myth, he never existed.  the story is taken from old north african tales.

Quote from: frankieG on August 06, 2010, 06:05:51 PM
i don't believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus or a god.  as a matter of fact the jesus story is a myth, he never existed.  the story is taken from old north african tales.

i will strongly disagree with you there. BUT i will respect your views, as i wish you would respect those of ppl whose views differ from yours., as you said " as a matter of FACT" more like a matter of opinion, you cannot prove to me jesus doesnt exist 100%, NOR can i prove to you 100% that he does, takes faith to not believe, as well as takes faithTO believe. faith is believing in something without having complete truth/facts to prove/disprove your beliefs or lack thereof. anyhoo welcome back ya crazy liberal. Ebeers on me  , and if im ever near tampa or NPR actual drinks on me too. once i move to NC, have a trip to plan, was thinking 2 weeks at a friends condo in myrtle, then down to FL

Homey?
I wondered what the 700 club was all about so I just checked it out.

Please please PLEASE tell me they aint thinking of offloading it on us over here man!

Strap me into the chair and force feed me non stop back to back episodes of Chico and the man, Wellcome back Kotter and Diff`rent strokes for a week instead 

If that scares you sledge you really should check out TBN. I'm a Christian and it makes me shake my head that they say we are one in the same. But, God will judge them justly not my job. I'm just not gonna help them with any of my money.

Mary

Read some history books,just because some rome x sun worshipers (type of pagan which the whole world was a type of if you go back far enough) started a new religion and sold it to others doesn`t make it right.Monotheism faiths are new to mans time on Earth.

Oh great, now I'm in 4th place in the competition.

as a christian, the 700 club is so annoying to me.

Quote from: JAY W on August 07, 2010, 03:41:42 PMMonastic faiths are new to mans time on Earth,not discovered by science.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.

However, despite the words roots in the introduction of christianity to the Greek, almost every religion.......ever.....has had individuals whom practiced some form of monasticism.   Perhaps you meant monotheism?  Still, depending on how strictly you define the word, you would be wrong...

I guess the way I look at it is. I'm a Christian (and proud of it) I live a good life. I do good things and am comfortable in what I believe will happen to me when I die and I've been close on many occasions with the latest being July. What is the worst thing that is going to happen to me if I'm wrong.  Well I'm dead and that's that. If your wrong then well God ain't gonna help ya tbh!

But, I'm a skeptic as well and if I see proof that what I believe is absolutly wrong then I will conceed it. I read alot with a copy of the bible and Darwin's origin of species on my night stand as typical daily reading. My hero on this Earth is Stephen Hawking and my pastor.

I dunno for me it takes a bigger leap of faith to believe the singularity was one big accident and that something came from nothing.

I'm also not going to argue about it because there probably isn't really anything I could say that would change the mind of those who are set in their beliefs. And other than hard facts telling me I'm wrong your not going to change me either.
respectfully,
Mary

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 15, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
I guess the way I look at it is. I'm a Christian (and proud of it) I live a good life. I do good things and am comfortable in what I believe will happen to me when I die and I've been close on many occasions with the latest being July. What is the worst thing that is going to happen to me if I'm wrong.  Well I'm dead and that's that. If your wrong then well God ain't gonna help ya tbh!

But, I'm a skeptic as well and if I see proof that what I believe is absolutly wrong then I will conceed it. I read alot with a copy of the bible and Darwin's origin of species on my night stand as typical daily reading. My hero on this Earth is Stephen Hawking and my pastor.

I dunno for me it takes a bigger leap of faith to believe the singularity was one big accident and that something came from nothing.

I'm also not going to argue about it because there probably isn't really anything I could say that would change the mind of those who are set in their beliefs. And other than hard facts telling me I'm wrong your not going to change me either.
respectfully,
Mary

well said mary. i am set in my beliefs however. but respect yours as well according to my doc, ill be doing great if i make it 5 years from now i am strong oin my faith and wiht GOD. and am ready when my time comes. take care and ride safe yall. btw the 700 club has been around for ages unfortunately, about as long as jim and tammy bakker. neither one of them  show hte true meaning. the 700 club as well as the bakkers were all about teh $$. what little i have goes to those that need it. i keep nothign for myself

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 15, 2010, 11:14:12 PMWhat is the worst thing that is going to happen to me if I'm wrong.  Well I'm dead and that's that. If your wrong then well God ain't gonna help ya tbh!

I feel like if there is a god and he was smart enough to create everything around us, that he should be able to understand the problems/concerns I have with worshiping him, and wouldn't hold it against me when I die. It would take some kind of jerk to create someone knowing ahead of time exactly how my brain and emotions would function, and still create me knowing full well I was going to burn for eternity. That leaves the only logical choices of 1: he doesn't exist, or 2: he does exist but is a bit more flexible than people would want you to think, and they're just using fear to keep guys from having sex with other guys, or 3: he's real but has a serious ego problem, and if I did buy into all of it just for the free pass in the afterlife, he'd know I was just faking it anyway.

It's one thing to say "here's the rules, follow these and you'll be fine", because I do my best to be a good person. It's another thing completely to say "you have to love me and accept me as the center of the world or you'll burn in hell for eternity", because I really don't have the ability force myself to love someone and actually come across as being sincere enough about it to fake a god, you know?

I know people like to say it's just free will and he's still giving you a chance by giving you life, but that's a contradiction to saying that god knows and loves everyone before they're even born. He would have to know my fate before I'm even created, so I feel like the "free will" is just a free pass to not have to explain contradictions in religion, as is just saying "god has a plan" and "the bible says that we can never fully understand the way god thinks, and we just have to trust him" every time people can't even come close to explaining why things happen around them.

I didn't say man's version is right. The way I view it which also may not be right is that God is very forgiving but he is also rightous and perfect. We screw up constantly well I know at least I do and I'm pretty sure everyone else does too. If you fail your DMV test do you expect to still get your license? Even though you studied hard and you have good intentions for it. No, you expect them to not give it to you. So, why should God give you a free pass when your intentions are good but you still fail by breaking all the rules? None of us are good enough to get to heaven on our own merits. I've saved countless lives as an EMT but that still isn't good enough. I knew some really good EMTs that were rotten people so should they get in because they saved lives for a living?

For me there is only one way in and that was a substitute and when I actually believed that the feeling I got I cannot explain but it gave me a freedom that I never had. As time goes by I actually find keeping to the rules easier than in the beginning and life is no less fun. Is it still hard to keep all the rules yeah it is I fail everyday but the more I try the closer I feel to God.

I don't put anyone down for their beliefs nor do I judge them for it is not my job to do so. It does sadden me (honestly it rips my heart out)  of some of the wonderful friends I have made that may not join me when all is said and done. But, I hope by being a good example others may follow and join me.

Mary

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 15, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
I guess the way I look at it is. I'm a Christian (and proud of it) I live a good life. I do good things and am comfortable in what I believe will happen to me when I die and I've been close on many occasions with the latest being July. What is the worst thing that is going to happen to me if I'm wrong.  Well I'm dead and that's that. If your wrong then well God ain't gonna help ya tbh!

Pascal's Wager is an argument based on probability theory for why one should live as if God exists, even though this cannot be proved or disproved through reason. It was formulated by Blaise Pascal.

If you believe in God and God does exist, you will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven; thus an infinite gain.
If you do not believe in God and God does exist, you will be condemned to remain in hell forever; thus an infinite loss.
If you believe in God and God does not exist, you will not be rewarded; thus a finite loss.
If you do not believe in God and God does not exist, you will not be rewarded, but you have lived your own life; thus a finite gain.

If you chose to believe in a god, which one? Which one of the thousands of gods created by man over the years do you chose? Oh, that's right, you chose the right one because of the accident of the time and place of your birth. Because if you had been born in Saudi Arabia you would likely be muslim, India hindu, Norway 1000 years ago you would follow norse gods, etc, etc. What if you picked the wrong god?

So one should believe just to cover one's a$$? Wouldn't the omniscient being you chose to believe in be aware that your belief was not genuine? That you were just playing it safe and covering your bets? Wouldn't honest disbelief be more impressive to such a god than just going along?

Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 11:15:06 AM


So one should believe just to cover one's a$$? Wouldn't the omniscient being you chose to believe in be aware that your belief was not genuine? That you were just playing it safe and covering your bets? Wouldn't honest disbelief be more impressive to such a god than just going along?

That's where I get hung up on the whole situation.

As far as the whole drivers license situation, you've got that one backwards. According to your example, it wouldn't have anything to do with passing or failing the test, it would have to do with your relationship with the guy who passes out the licenses, and no matter how many times you failed the test you could always come back and say "I'm sorry, do you forgive me?" and he would say "of course, here's your license" because in religion you can make as many honest mistakes as you want as long as you ask for forgiveness and still get into heaven. If I want my drivers license I need to study the manual and drive well, regardless of my status with the guy in charge. It would make sense if I could live my life well and still get into heaven at the end of everything, regardless of my status with a possible god, but we won't know that one till the end.

I'm a Pastafarian.   

Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 11:15:06 AMIf you chose to believe in a god, which one?

Well, if you go with the masses, then depending on your religion, your changes of being "right" are as follows:

# Christianity: 33%
# Islam: 21%
# Hinduism: 14%
# Chinese traditional religion: 6%
# Buddhism: 6%
# primal-indigenous/African Traditional & Diasporic: 6%
# Judaism: 0.22%
# Scientology: 0.07%

If you make no choice or choose to go with logic and reality, then you're in third place with:
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 16%

Quote from: tt_four on August 16, 2010, 04:01:12 AM

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 15, 2010, 11:14:12 PMWhat is the worst thing that is going to happen to me if I'm wrong.  Well I'm dead and that's that. If your wrong then well God ain't gonna help ya tbh!

It's one thing to say "here's the rules, follow these and you'll be fine", because I do my best to be a good person...

I believe that was the message of Jesus and it's been all but lost in history due to politics.  Jesus of Nazareth absolutely did exist.  He was written about by many prior to the writing of the new testament.  He is as real as Julius Caesar.  He is not a fictional character.  The new testament wasn't written until about 100 years after his death.  That's where the fiction began in my opinion.  I believe Jesus wanted us to follow his message, not him.  It's a subtle distinction but the difference is huge.  Jesus was a Jew and it was never his intention to start another religion.  In fact, he didn't.  His followers 5 generations after his death did that.

I believe there is a lot of fiction written about Jesus, but his message is still there, if you only look for it.