On another thread somebody quoted the "manual" as 83~112 IN -LBS.

Can anybody tell me where in the manual it gives the torque spec for the oil filter cap (acorn nuts)?

I can't find any specific reference..

There is a "general table" for bolts...

5mm "standard is 18~36 in-lbs....high strength is 24~54 in - lbs

6mm standard is 24~54 in -lbs and high strength is 72~102 in -lbs...

So 83~112 seem a bit high to me!


Cookie

I will NOT suggest anything but use of a properly calibrated torque wrench on this forum ever again - I learned that lesson the other day.  But this is exactly why I tighten most of this stuff (especially small fasteners) by feel.  Too much chance of a typo, a wrong number, or poor wrench calibration.  When I am tightening by feel I AM IN CONTROL.  When I'm using a torque wrench I'm counting on the spec being correct, the wrench being properly calibrated, and the wrench working and giving me the right feedback.  I've put at least one other person and a mechanical device between me and success.  I'd rather it just be me. 

I am NOT suggesting that anyone else do it my way.  I received pretty strong counsel earlier this week that I'm an ego maniacal old bore of a person who doesn't tell the truth.  So I'm an idiot!  My wife reminds me of this every day! But that's how I choose to tighten these types of fasteners.

So here is my revised advice:

Go buy top quality torque wrenches, sockets, etc. for every single fastener on your bike.  Make sure you have all the right stuff so that can get the tools on the fasteners squarely and see or feel the wrench signal.

Get the best possible list of torque specifications and double check them all against other sources and best practice.  You do NOT want the number to be wrong.

Under NO circumstances should you EVER attempt to get the feel of this stuff - you ONLY want to do this with the proper wrench.  Then, if you break something, you can blame someone else.

I am joking, of course.  To Cookie's point - the Haynes book gives no spec - it just says tighten securely - and that number does seem high. 

Maybe a poll is in order?  Who tightens those acorn nuts with a torque wrench? 

I do tighten the wheel lugs on my cars with a torque wrench but that is a different story.

Ride safely!

Owners manual simple says...

8 - Replace the oil filter cover and tighten the screws securely but do not overtighten them.

So there you have it. Direct from the horses mouth.

To me, overtighten means, three full turns past finger tight, or something like that. I do not consider 1/8 to 1/4 turn to be overtightening. Might pay to call your local authorised Suzuki mechanic and Ask them.

After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 

Michael

I hear ya jeep. I also rarely use a torque wrench, and have many years experience. I particularly like this quote and it is appropriate here: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.

Quote from: mister on September 14, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
Owners manual simple says...

8 - Replace the oil filter cover and tighten the screws securely but do not overtighten them.

So there you have it. Direct from the horses mouth.

To me, overtighten means, three full turns past finger tight, or something like that. I do not consider 1/8 to 1/4 turn to be overtightening. Might pay to call your local authorised Suzuki mechanic and Ask them.

After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 

Michael

Cheeses!   Take a chill......I specificaly made a new thread because I didn't want to continue the arguement on the old thread.........someone quoted a manual....I was simply asking where in the manual they got the information...

Please refer to section 7 page 29

Tightening torque chart
For bolts and nuts not listed previously....

The Suzuki manual, as does most manuals, gives a general torque for each size (and type) of fastener.  When a specific torque for a specific fastener is not given, it is normal to go to this general chart...

If you follow this chart and use a torque wrench, you will not overtighten the fastener.

Cookie

Ok Moderators.........I'm  looking to be sent to the "tard farm" soon on this one.......!!

Not knowing how to use a torque wrench is not an excuse to "not" learn and use one.

Not knowing how to read a manual in not an excuse to not use it.

Using a torque spec that "somebody"    gives you on the interned doesn't mean it is the correct torque.

Some people should stay as far away as possible form mechanical stuff and let others      do that for them......and they deserve to pay dearly for the service


Cookie

Quote from: twocool on September 14, 2011, 07:18:08 PM

Quote from: mister on September 14, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
Owners manual simple says...

8 - Replace the oil filter cover and tighten the screws securely but do not overtighten them.

So there you have it. Direct from the horses mouth.

To me, overtighten means, three full turns past finger tight, or something like that. I do not consider 1/8 to 1/4 turn to be overtightening. Might pay to call your local authorised Suzuki mechanic and Ask them.

After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 

Michael

Cheeses!   Take a chill.....

Likewise. See the  emoticon. That means it's a Fun thing not an Up Yours thing. here, have a beer...



Michael

I know how to use a torque wrench, I learned how as a kid working in a garage back in 48.  I had mine out again back in the spring of 05 when I had to pull the head on my 02 GS to replace a broken exhaust valve.  Trying to remember where I put it after that.  I use my torque hands for all lesser things.   

gee you people are like dogs with a old bone you worry it to death  ..i put that spec for the acorn filter nuts on here and i said 6mm bolts 9 to 13 nm  this comes out of the haynes service and repair manual for the 89 t0 08 gs 500 page 2.4 torque settings  for crankcase bolts 6mm, that means all 6mm bolts and studs that attach to the crankcase itself ..all mechanics with experience know that all manuals leave a bit to your own experience at translating  what they mean, other wise the manual would have a million words in it.8 filters changed and no broken studs or leaksssssss..

here is your conversion of nm to inch pounds <1 newton metre =8.850748 pounds -force -inches>
in other words 1nm =8.85 inch lbs from Machinerys handbook 21st edition page 2432     i hope this helps prevent you breaking bolts made from butter .

Quote from: twinrat on September 15, 2011, 01:28:21 AM
gee you people are like dogs with a old bone you worry it to death  ..i put that spec for the acorn filter nuts on here and i said 6mm bolts 9 to 13 nm  this comes out of the haynes service and repair manual for the 89 t0 08 gs 500 page 2.4 torque settings  for crankcase bolts 6mm, that means all 6mm bolts and studs that attach to the crankcase itself ..all mechanics with experience know that all manuals leave a bit to your own experience at translating  what they mean, other wise the manual would have a million words in it.8 filters changed and no broken studs or leaksssssss..

Ok...thanks...now I know your reference....

Your manual says 9 to 13

My manual (suzuki) says 4 to 7

Who you gonna listen to?

Cookie

After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 



Hate to dissapoint you...but....I used the torque spec  ...and a torque wrench  ....and the studes didn't break, and the cap doesn't leak........amazing isn't it??


Cookie

tighten it till it strips and then back it off a quarter turn, works every time.

Quote from: twocool on September 15, 2011, 05:03:21 AM
After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 



Hate to dissapoint you...but....I used the torque spec  ...and a torque wrench  ....and the studes didn't break, and the cap doesn't leak........amazing isn't it??


Cookie

Cookie - You used the 4Nm - 7Nm, right? 

Quote from: rkjjeep on September 15, 2011, 06:01:52 AM

Quote from: twocool on September 15, 2011, 05:03:21 AM
After you find the torque spec you're after, be sure to come back here and post how it sheared off 



Hate to disappoint you...but....I used the torque spec  ...and a torque wrench  ....and the studes didn't break, and the cap doesn't leak........amazing isn't it??


Cookie

Cookie - You used the 4Nm - 7Nm, right?

Yes sir...

Cookie

To quote the excellent "How to change the oil on your SR500" youtube video, tighten to it's-not-gonna-fall-out-newton-meters of torque.

Quote from: grader on September 15, 2011, 05:21:03 AM
tighten it till it strips and then back it off a quarter turn, works every time.

LOL.....Yeah...I'll try that on your bike so I know how it feels when it snaps......then do mine "just right"..

Actually I'm gonna set up a test stand with a 6 mm stud and nut and see what torque it takes to break it....but actually the torque needed to break it is way, way over what is needed to tighten it and seal the o-ring..

Cookie