Interesting that a .22 Evanix PCP air rifle has 35 ft. lbs. of energy with a 16gr pellet at 1050 fps.
A Super Colibri  .22  20gr  has 11 ft lbs.
Some sub sonic .22's are low like 50 ft lbs energy.
That's one powerful air rifle. Silent, too. Amazing some air guns are nearly as powerful as real .22's and comparing to some .22 bullets, more powerful.

One sweet air rifle. Semi-automatic (unusual for air rifle). Electric trigger action. Very accurate when you add a nice 3-10x40 scope.


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  .. lol... not hazing too hard Addy ... but 3-10x on a air rifle? .. you gonna be hillbilly rik-o-chet shootin over 400yds or what? .. 

each to their own of course... but i woulda stuck with just a nice 4x32 scope .. slim wire crosshairs .. or illum reticule/red dot if you need for night pot shots.. 

10x at air gun ranges?.... man ... you be picking which hair to hit ... not which critter!! 

Interesting test.
I have a pellet trap for target practice. The back of it is a thick piece of galvanized steel. Normal air guns don't do anything to it.
The Evanix PCP rifle dents the hell out of it. 1050 fps 17.5 gr pellets.
So what would happen with a Super Colibri powderless 22: 500 fps and 20gr? hardly anything.
Interesting that the .22 pellet rifle has much more power than the lesser .22 rim fires.
The sound of the Super Colibri is about the same as a medium loud air rifle.

(To be fair, I did fire one and only one standard .22 at the same target. A little more dent than the air rifle.)

For home air gun practice, I'll have to use a real .22 trap. The ones for air guns are not adequate for the better air guns.

Well, simple math says that 17,5gr at 1050 fps is far more energy than 20gr at 500 fps - nearly double the energy.
It will be good to test out the air rifle on a range at 100 yards.

So I guess a good scope on that kind of air rifle is quite appropriate. At 15 yards it can do 1" groupings.

Don't get me wrong Addy... I trust that its a good scope ... And a better than average pellet gun ... But 10x is a lot ... Great for 100yards plus... From using such things I remember that below say ... 50 yards... Anything much more than maybe 6 power produces a 'slower' reaction time... Everything is bIG! .. It makes it harder to pick out which bit you want to hit..

The 40mm front lens is great .. Plenty of light collection for those dusk/torchlight shots... And yeah I think you will probably end up leaving the scope on 6x or less.....

No real drama .... Just more scope than mostly needed for your purposes ... If its just for those koi thieving bastards! ..

What brand of scope is it btw?

Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun

It is a 3-12x44. Leapers UTG Accushot Swat IE scope with 36 colors. That's just what it is and for a good price.
I usually use it on 3x for close and rarely take it over 6x.

Quote from: slipperymongoose on June 04, 2013, 01:49:15 AM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun

Ruger 10-22 seems to be extremely popular and quite versatile with tons of accessories and upgrades available.
There's a bolt action Ruger, too. The 10-22 is semi-auto.

Not allowed a semi auto in aus unless licensed with a leg inmate excuse such as a primary producer (farmer) I had a ruger 96-22 lever gun which I loved but had to part ways with. It's relatively cheap essentially I'm buying the scope cause I know in Yankee land you can buy a brand new one with a x4 for 180 usd. It's a fun cheap way into a .22

No semi-auto rifles? What about hand guns? Fully auto are restricted here. But gun laws depend on state city and even some zip codes! Talk about goofy: one state requires a license for an air gun. There is an assortment of strange laws for sling shots - believe it or not!

How are your laws on air guns? I find air guns are a blast for just plinking. Some are so quiet the pellet hitting the target makes more noise. Many are exact replicas of real things. Definitely CO2 or PCP is the way to go. A springer is VERY noisy. Nitro-piston is not as noisy but still single shot break barrel type like a springer.

Since I put adjustable scopes on things, I have a few 3x or 4x scopes I have no use for.

The Evanix was fully automatic until Jan 4, 2013. No one knows what law changed that. Now only semi-auto but that is more than adequate.  It is one of the few semi-auto air rifles. Lots of semi-auto air hand guns (pellet, BB or airsoft).

There are some other really nice bolt action 10 round air rifles: Benjamin Marauder is one. Hamerli 850 is another.
The 850 uses 88cc large CO2 cylinders. The Evanix and Marauder are PCP which needs a tank (like a scuba tank) to fill to 3000 psi. Each has its advantages. PCP is high pressure and more power, but the non-PCP CO2 cylinders for the 850 (or small cylinders for hand air guns) you can just replace when you run out of air.

I rested the Evanix and fired a magazine of 11 pellets of 17.5gr. Seems I shouldn't use the pellet trap with this one. Punched a hole in it. I'll have to use a heavy duty trap designed for real .22's. (I wasn't aiming for anything - I just wanted 11 pellets in the same place to see the spread, which was due to my slight movement of the rifle.)



Then I was curious what it would do to 3/4" plywood. The larger hole is 5 pellets. The 2 other holes are singles. I would not want one to hit me.

Laws vary subtly between states but your average joe blow firearm owner cannot posses semi auto rifle or shotgun unless he has a need to (cannot operate pump action, primary producer, professional aerial pest controller). Must have a gun licence for an air rifle and even a paintball gun as well I think. So basically we are restricted to bolt action, lever action, and pump action. In the case of a shotgun it cannot hold more than 3 rounds. Rifles are not allowed more than a 10 round magazine unless fitted otherwise from the factory, same with suppressors/silencers. Not allowed unless factory fitted. In my state you are not allowed .50 caliber anything. In terms of handguns you again are not allowed to possess over .50 caliber. For calibers over .38 or 9mm you are only allowed to possess these guns if you shoot metallic silhouette and you must shoot in these competitions at least 6 times a year and remain a financial member of a gun club. Now for handguns under .38 or 9mm you must participate in at least 6 shoots run by the club a year and again remain a member of a club to legally posses your firearms and have a license. IT IS ILLEGAL to carry your gun conclealed or not in public unless your a armed security, police or armed forces.

Firearm ownership in Australia is a privledge not a right.

Quote from: adidasguy on June 04, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
It is a 3-12x44. Leapers UTG Accushot Swat IE scope with 36 colors. That's just what it is and for a good price.
I usually use it on 3x for close and rarely take it over 6x.

Errr ... I googled that .... Nice ... But  ... Wow ... Does it also come with option for cappuccino attachment!? ... That has EVERYTHING!!! ... 

And you can also use it if you ever decide to upgrade to a Barrett .416 .... Sheesh ... I been not paying attention to stuff for too long ... Although I suspect even if this scope was available in Aussie ... It'd be about a squillion bucks!! ....

So go on someone now..... Find one in Aussie for cheap .... I might just fall out of my lounge chair!

Look up the Evanix Conquest or the Benjamin Marauder.

Here is something interesting - shipping restrictions on air guns.
restrictions of foregrips? Duh?
No scopes or dot sights to Canada?
Blowguns? Huh?
Restrictions on blank guns?
A real mess here in the states. Glad I live in Washington State.

http://www.pyramydair.com/shipping-restrictions;jsessionid=9EA334C0B314CF80B9F2295449462DD3.app01

Real guns have odd rules and regulations, too. Some places limit magazines to 10 or less. Heck, a Ruger 10-22 you can get a 50 or larger rotary magazine. 25 or 30 is easy to find - at least in Washington State. Some states you have to register everything. Washington allows unregistered private gun sales. You need a permit for a concealed gun, but can carry one in the open. Go figure!

In NZ, you have a number of different categories of license. This system seems to work well - possibly since a large percentage of the population owns and uses firearms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_New_Zealand

This means you can get a semi auto rifle  with a magazine capacity of not more than 15 shots .22 rimfire or other calibre must be less than 7 shots on a bog standard A category license before it becomes "Military style" which you can also get, but you need to up your license to a different category.

The main issue I have is that export restrictions have been upped from the US - everything is getting really difficult to get hold of (lots of paperwork hoops to import anything not category A), and the dealers know it (and charge accordingly)...

Priced a clip for my FN150 .22 and I could get one for about US$40 if I lived in the US - paperwork and Dealer to get it to NZ would add about $200 to that..

Beautiful New Zealand, military style weapons, multiple round clips, rough day for an individual, leading to a disaster for an unsuspecting community -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF1exldW0-k

Quote from: noworries on June 04, 2013, 05:16:28 PM
Beautiful New Zealand, military style weapons, multiple round clips, rough day for an individual, leading to a disaster for an unsuspecting community -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF1exldW0-k

The Weinstein Co. has blocked the viewing of that video in my country due to copyrights.

It is a documentary called "Out of the blue" and details the Aramoana massacre in NZ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre -
It was after this event that the definition of MSSAs was tightened - and after this day it became a lot more difficult to become a legitimate owner of E category firearms.

Noworries is correct - someone having a mental breakdown and a disaster did indeed follow...

That being said, it is sadly hunting accidents / people being idiots that constitute the majority of firearms related deaths in NZ at present.

looked like a telemovie dramatisation/re-creation .. 

real 22's or pellet guns?

Looking into things, I find there are .22 pellet guns with 1050 fps for a 17gr pellet. They are rated as very quiet. Other pellet rifles in the range and some pellet pistols with 450 fps.

For QUIET real 22's, there are the Colibri at 22gr and 375fps or Super Colibri 22gr at 500 fps. CCI also makes CB Long's at about 30gr and 700 fps.

So, other than being something with real powder (or primer only as in the Colibri), these days if just plinking and target shooting and not wanting to be loud, is there any reason to get a real gun or go for a good pellet gun ?

Ranges around here don't care if you're shooting a pellet gun. You paid your $12 so shoot whatever you want as long as it doesn't exceed their limits.

There is a target range under a high school stadium bleachers a few blocks from me that allows only 22's and air guns. Air guns are OK on private property as long as you don't shoot people (eminent danger from a wild, attacking raccoon or squirrel is OK.)

I guess for relieving stress from mother going down hill (that "guy" comes in at 2am and turns on her TV. oooookkkkaaayyyyyyyyyy......) and as a new hobby, air guns are just as good as quiet 22's?

Any of you shoot with air guns? (and not airsoft - but really good pellet guns that can go through 3/4" plywood)

Quote from: adidasguy on June 06, 2013, 02:04:27 AM
Any of you shoot with air guns? (and not airsoft - but really good pellet guns that can go through 3/4" plywood)

Yes, I had a .22 that would sling the lead at 1000 fps, iirc.  I just traded it yesterday for a router.  I thought it was a lot of fun to shoot, but moved and didn't have a place to fire it, other than at a real range.  And if I'm at a range I'm going to use my real .22 since it's way more accurate and it goes BANG instead of Psssft.

Quote from: slipperymongoose on June 04, 2013, 01:49:15 AM
Thinking about buying a mossberg 802 plinkster with a tasco x4-x9 scope as a little plinker/rabbit gun

we just set out 3 of them today lol. 2 with scopes oone with iron sights