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Bad Valves?

Started by MNgs500, September 24, 2014, 12:35:19 AM

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The Buddha

LOL, yes.
In this pic, the 2 exhaust valves are pretty nice - they're sitting well up off the seat. These valves are better off just left alone - or yea you can lightly lap em since you got this far. The intakes look a bit worse than the exhaust. See how they are sunken in the head. OK they are designed that way, the ysit lower in the head, but in any case, I'd not put any real machine work in that head, its useable as is. Pooking around in it could well leave yo ua head that ... well isn't.

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MNgs500

Alright so really i dont need to bring it to the shop? I just dont understand why that other shop told me that the valve needs to be replaced and the cylinder is dead. I know that the carb probably is really screwed up. Before it only ran up to 5k rpm and when the clutch engaged the bike would die. I'm sure i was being used of lack of knowledge. So as off now that the head is off. I wont need to resurface or any work?

gsJack

Quote from: gsJack on October 23, 2014, 06:06:28 AM
A 3 angle valve grind?  A GS500 is not rocket science, it's more like tractor science!  Valves look OK to me, I'd pull it apart, clean carbon, and lap valves.  If a quick lap shows good seal on all valves put it back together and enjoy it some more.  If you grind valves and seats you'll be limiting future valve adjustment range.

That's what I did on my 02 GS when a sticking bucket caused a broken exhaust valve.  I replaced the broken one, lapped them all to check seal, cleaned carbon, and put it back together.  Now years later no further engine work it still runs like new and a comprssion check this spring at 100k miles showed 140 psi on both cylinders.

Did you check compression before you pulled the head?
407,400 miles in 30 years for 13,580 miles/year average.  Started riding 7/21/84 and hung up helmet 8/31/14.

MNgs500

I brought the head and cylinder to the shop they said they will look at them for free. Then a mechanic off craigslist that charges $25/hr that was recommonded said he will assemble and tune the bike on the 11th. The guy at the shop, didn't say anything specific, but will call before any work is started. It's to late in the season to try and fix the bike quickly. I also brought the pistons in with the cylinder wall. Thanks for all the help everyone, I would should have never touched the carb in the first place... :cookoo:

The Buddha

Its likely that both valves were tha tway before you touched them ...
Anyway send me your carbs, I barely make $25/hr messing with GS carbs ...
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The Buddha

Quote from: MNgs500 on October 23, 2014, 04:52:39 PM
I brought the head and cylinder to the shop they said they will look at them for free. Then a mechanic off craigslist that charges $25/hr that was recommonded said he will assemble and tune the bike on the 11th. The guy at the shop, didn't say anything specific, but will call before any work is started. It's to late in the season to try and fix the bike quickly. I also brought the pistons in with the cylinder wall. Thanks for all the help everyone, I would should have never touched the carb in the first place... :cookoo:

That cylinder needs a wash, and maybe you can surface the head and you fit all new gaskets and reassemble it.
urfacing the head is a 5 minute job, they really should do it free for giving you crappy advice - BTW you showed them the pics of it assembled ? Or did you just describe the problem.

For good measure wash everything you ahve sitting outside in the engine shop "hotsy"

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MNgs500

Quote from: The Buddha on October 23, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: MNgs500 on October 23, 2014, 04:52:39 PM
I brought the head and cylinder to the shop they said they will look at them for free. Then a mechanic off craigslist that charges $25/hr that was recommonded said he will assemble and tune the bike on the 11th. The guy at the shop, didn't say anything specific, but will call before any work is started. It's to late in the season to try and fix the bike quickly. I also brought the pistons in with the cylinder wall. Thanks for all the help everyone, I would should have never touched the carb in the first place... :cookoo:

That cylinder needs a wash, and maybe you can surface the head and you fit all new gaskets and reassemble it.
urfacing the head is a 5 minute job, they really should do it free for giving you crappy advice - BTW you showed them the pics of it assembled ? Or did you just describe the problem.

For good measure wash everything you ahve sitting outside in the engine shop "hotsy"

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Buddha.

I brought the head and cylinder block to the shop showed him my original receipt from the other repair shop. We discussed doing the valve job with 3 angle if needed. As well as deglaze/hone the cylinder to the pistons which they also have. Since everything is off we will also probably resurface the head and cylinder. I will send my carbs to buddha and reassemble I'm sure I can do with the help of baltimoregs youtube video. If not the guy in anoka can on nov 11th. Then I will never make this mistake again!

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