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Resurrecting topic: GS reverse shifting (GP style) Project Finished

Started by Kito, February 19, 2018, 07:03:47 AM

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Kito

Hello everyone

I would like to get reversed gear shifting and I founded that in 2005 some fellows already discussed it.
(http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=21806.0)

However ... now in the far future... We have other possibilities.

I checked ebay and found not expensive rear sets... however they have no information about the holes distances to screw on our GSs.

I founded one that says that is compatible with the SV 650 ( in Brazil we don't have SVs) that I believe that should be the same drilling as the GSs. (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Rearsets-Rear-Set-Foot-Pegs-For-Suzuki-SV650-SV650S-SV1000-S-1998-2014-Gold/132479025669?hash=item1ed85d8205:g:-cMAAOSws5BaUz55&vxp=mtr_


And the GSXR...1000cc ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Rearsets-Rear-Set-Foot-Pegs-For-Suzuki-SV650-SV650S-SV1000-S-1998-2014-Gold/132479025669?hash=item1ed85d8205:g:-cMAAOSws5BaUz55&vxp=mtr)

Anyone can tell me is one of these have the same mounting pattern than the GS's?

The spacing between the mounting screws are 81.15 mm (32 inches I suppose)
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gregjet

If you have a look at the mounbting bolts on the SV mounting plate they slope backwards at the bottom ( unusual actually). The GS500 mounts have the bottom hole in front of the top hole ( a more usual way).
The other problem is that the GS needs a actuation lever attached to the current shift shaft. Most rearset suppliers don't supply that unless the original bike didn't have one ( like the GS500 does not). The SV HAS an actuation lever already.
Having said that it would be possible to use most of that set shown. You would need a stock gear lever you could cut down and modify and to make a new mounting plate for the sub assembly. I have done that many times on racing bikes that did not have a commercial fittment available. The hardest thing to make and fit are the pegs and the lever mounts. At the price of the ones shown they are worth it for the moving parts and sub assembly.
Try and find a set with the hole orientation the right way around. Of course the photo could be a generic one for advertising purposes.
The rod length is likely to be a problem and you may have to fabricate or modify . Even small differences in length make a huge difference to the lever positions.
Also a thing to remember is that the actuation rod needs to be as close to rightangles to BOTH the gear shaft end lever and the attachment to the gear change lever.

I used a similar set for my MT07. NOTE the rearsets shown vary greatly in strength from different suppliers and ALL of them have bolt/thread hole sloppiness. Locktight is highly recommended when fitting.

Kito

I thank you for these valuable information.

I have a list of things to modify in my gs already.. however, in the meantime I will refining this idea and trying to get even more info.  But as you said.. with some sweat and time is feasible!
Thanks again
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cbrfxr67

After struggling to get mine set up I finally gave up and left it gp shift.  It doesn't seem to be that big of a deal.  Read up on tips and alot of guys are for it, whereas of course some people like standard shift pattern.  I figured it's just easier to deal with on mine and I'll get used to it,.... :icon_rolleyes:
"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

gregjet

#4
I made a set of plates , brackets, levers and heel plates for my GS500 project.
Because the left peg does not have any lever on it it is REALLY simple, especially for a fixed peg.
I made a complete aluminium lever with a proper ball bearing pivot for the right and made some carbon Heelplates.
The stock peg assembly is insanely heavy. If you want to lose some weight from a GS500 this is a good starting place. 2.6kg for the stockers ( not including lever) and .5kg for home made Al/ carbon ones. Making an Al heelplate set in stead of carbon wouldn't add much.
I didn't end up using the pegs shown and went to a fixed set ( a few grams heavier).
You could make a longer gear lever to attach to the stock position or weld in a section to make the stock one longer. Probably even get and aftermarket aluminium one to fit. I know it would still be stock shifting. Just making a simple shifter parallogram with same side actuators would give race pattern.


cbrfxr67

Lookin sweet!  Please post when you have them mounted too! :star:
"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

gregjet

Are you referring to me CBRFXR67. These have been mounted for quite a while. I posted pics but I suspect they went the way of all things photobucket. I won't post here and hijack the thread. Just showing that they are pretty easy to make.

Kito

2004 Track/Street Rat .... or maybe just trash!
Reverse Gear Shifting (topic=72206.0)
Quick and Cheap Shifter (topic=72099.0)
Gear indicator (topic=72403.0)
Thumb Brake Loading (topic=72143.0)
Clipons

gregjet

Ok then. I included as not so well exposed shot as it shows the brake bearing area a bit better. Remember this is a project bike and much is still in proof of concept stage.

Endopotential

The rearsets from a Honda CBR900RR will work with only minor modification.  You can find them for about $80 on eBay.
I imagine you can set it up for GP shifting fairly easily.

Some pics of them on my bike here  http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=70953.0
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=70953.0

2007 GS500F Cafe Fighter - cut off the tail, K&N lunchbox, short exhaust, 20/60/140 jets, R6 shock, all sorts of other random bits...

Kito

#10
Thank you Sir! (applause)

This is exactly the info I needed!

By the way I have posted a question on a topic that you posted some pictures of your bike.. so I appreciate that you have helped me here, instead of there! A good way to keep information together and concise!

And congrats on your bike.. looks awesome!
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Endopotential

#11
To Kito and CBRFXR who emailed me, here's my bits for public sharing.

Look up "CBR900RR" rearsets on eBay, brand new ones go for about $85.
Then look up "GS500 shift lever" to get that splined bit.  You'll need to tinker on this to get the shift rod to connect.  Basically cut off about 2 inches of material, then drill and tap a hole so you can put a bolt through the Heim joint of the shift rod.

My pictures aren't embedding for some reason.  Just check my signature for photos that will hopefully work.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=70953.0

2007 GS500F Cafe Fighter - cut off the tail, K&N lunchbox, short exhaust, 20/60/140 jets, R6 shock, all sorts of other random bits...

gregjet


Kito

Bought it! :woohoo:
Unfortunately, :cry:  will take months to arrive .. thanks to brazil bureaucracy and customs...


CNC Billet Rearset Foot Pegs Pedals For Honda CBR900RR 893cc SC28 1992-1995 Gray

https://www.ebay.com/itm/312009588093?ul_noapp=true

2004 Track/Street Rat .... or maybe just trash!
Reverse Gear Shifting (topic=72206.0)
Quick and Cheap Shifter (topic=72099.0)
Gear indicator (topic=72403.0)
Thumb Brake Loading (topic=72143.0)
Clipons

cbrfxr67

sweet!  im going to get one too when funds open up for it :cry:
"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

Kito

#15
Hey Guys, a quickie one!

My new foot pegs are arriving... and I am starting to prepare myself to install it!

However, I would not wish to destroy my current gear shift lever.
I tried to find some scrap gear shift lever but till now I could not.

So... anybody can answer these questions:

Is there a standard hole size and fixture to the gear lever on the gear rod?

Any other compatible shift levers from other model or makers?


Thanks in advance
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Reverse Gear Shifting (topic=72206.0)
Quick and Cheap Shifter (topic=72099.0)
Gear indicator (topic=72403.0)
Thumb Brake Loading (topic=72143.0)
Clipons

cbrfxr67

I ordered mine too but haven't gotten it in yet to relate to what you're trying to figure out. Hopefully mine comes in sooner than later,...
"Its something you take apart in 2-3 days and takes 10 years to go back together."
-buddha

Kito

#17
 :woohoo: :woohoo:

We are going to need to cut a gear lever and maybe drill some holes, there is a rod (link) that comes from the new shifter thats needs to be attached to the gearbox axel.

this photo is from a post:


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Endopotential

Hey that bike looks familiar! :embarrassed:

That connecting bit has splines so it would be hard to fabricate one by yourself

Pretty sure GSXRs use the same shift lever, not sure about other Suzuki's
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=70953.0

2007 GS500F Cafe Fighter - cut off the tail, K&N lunchbox, short exhaust, 20/60/140 jets, R6 shock, all sorts of other random bits...

Kito

EndoPotential.... If not too much trouble, could you post a zoomed photo of your gear shifting system?

I really don't know how.. but I got all the stuff that I need much earlier than I was expecting... time to have fun now!

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Reverse Gear Shifting (topic=72206.0)
Quick and Cheap Shifter (topic=72099.0)
Gear indicator (topic=72403.0)
Thumb Brake Loading (topic=72143.0)
Clipons

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