freaking bike won't start!!

[pianopraze]

wellll... i am no expert but my bike would not start after being in storage for 2-3 years.... kerry helped me get it working by making sure i cleaned the carbs right... and all the right parts..... look up my threads to see if you got all the little wholes clean

my bike was doing exactly what yours is.... i installed fuel filter and cleaned carbs and it worked... but my bike would turn over if i poured gas in sparkplugs (like it says in owners manual) for a few seconds... have you tried pouring gas in the spark plug holes and starting it up? if it does then it's a carb problem probably....

hope i don't sound too foolish and this helps  

[Kerry]

Good point, pianopraze.  In fact, I thought of our "conversation" (in the Cleaned carbs... now will only idle at 1500rpm... help! thread) early on in this thread of Frost's.

In the last post on the 1st page of this thread I came out pretty strong on Frost cleaning his carbs.  In his 2nd post on the 2nd page Frost said that he had taken them apart and cleaned them.  I would have liked a more complete report like "I could definitely see light through both jets in each carb." or "There was some gunk on the float valve seat, but I got it all off."  But if he says he cleaned him I'll take his word for it.  (That's why I have been sidestepping the recent fuel delivery questions; there shouldn't be any problems in that area.)

Frost, read through the thread I linked to above.  If you still feel comfortable about the carbs being as clean as pianopraze's then I won't mention it again.

[Frost]

after reading the threads over again...i've decided to THROUGHLY clean my carbs...

just went out to buy a can of carb cleaner and will be taking the carbs TOTALLY apart tomorrow...

i'll try to be organized when taking it apart...but beside from that...what else should i watch out for?

also...does anyone have the little T-connector rubber piece laying around??...mine torn off...(stupid me...)...or can i just connect 2 hoses to it and attach a T to it so that the pressure will still be balanced out?
i'm talking about the upper T

also...after reading the carbs 101...i have something that i dont' get...
if my carbs are supposing working fine...(floats good, vacuum good, needles good)...what else can cause a fuel delivery problem??

[Kerry]

after reading the threads over again...i've decided to THROUGHLY clean my carbs...

just went out to buy a can of carb cleaner and will be taking the carbs TOTALLY apart tomorrow...

Cool.  Let us know what you find!

i'll try to be organized when taking it apart...but beside from that...what else should i watch out for?

As long as you don't break anything, get everything CLEAN, and put everything back where it came from, the carb internals should be fine.

Be sure to remove the O-ring from the float valve seat before you soak it (the brass part) in carb cleaner.  Don't forget to put it back on afterwards....

It can be tricky to get the "boots" (which connect the carbs to the airbox and the engine block) seated and clamped down correctly, so watch out for that.

also...does anyone have the little T-connector rubber piece laying around??...mine torn off...(stupid me...)...or can i just connect 2 hoses to it and attach a T to it so that the pressure will still be balanced out?
i'm talking about the upper T

Theoretically, you don't NEED that hose at all.  But its open end is positioned in a spot where the air is fairly "quiet" or non-turbulent.  The bike should certainly run without the hose there (or even the T-connector) but the fuel delivery may not be quite as smooth as it could/should be.  So, get the bike running first, and then do the hoses-and-T trick later if you have to.

also...after reading the carbs 101...i have something that i dont' get...
if my carbs are supposing working fine...(floats good, vacuum good, needles good)...what else can cause a fuel delivery problem??

Clogged hoses.  Maybe a super-duper-dirty air filter.  Perhaps a torn diaphragm in the carb(s).  (Srinath?)  I can't think of much else.  :dunno:

[Frost]

my diaphragm is expanded...is that normal?...it's so hard to put it back in now...and hwo do i check if it's a complete seal?

[indestructibleman]

...what else can cause a fuel delivery problem??

sorry, this may have been covered, but do you have an inline fuel filter?  if that's dirty or backwards your engine won't run.

[Frost]

inline fuel filter?

i dont' think the canadian version has one...

[Kerry]

my diaphragm is expanded...is that normal?...it's so hard to put it back in now...and hwo do i check if it's a complete seal?

Hmmm ... I'm not sure what you mean by "expanded".  But as long as there are no tiny holes or rips (and assuming that you can it get back in place) you'll just have to assume that the seal is good, I guess.

[Frost]

expanded meaning the diaphragm (black rubber donut thingy) is much bigger than the hole/slot where it's suppose to fit in...

[The Buddha]

OK you left it soaking in gasoline loaded with methanol/iso propyl alchohol based carb cleaner didn't ya... OK Take it off that concoction and dry it... then it gets too samm to fit... OK OK semi dry it... and quickly slap it on...
Cool.
Srinath.

[indestructibleman]

inline fuel filter?

i dont' think the canadian version has one...

it's not standard, as far as i know, but it's a common add-on.

[Frost]

OK you left it soaking in gasoline loaded with methanol/iso propyl alchohol based carb cleaner didn't ya... OK Take it off that concoction and dry it... then it gets too samm to fit... OK OK semi dry it... and quickly slap it on...
Cool.
Srinath.

i guess i did...how do i dry it?...i air dried it and it's still too big...

[Frost]

OMG...i just talked to a mechanic and he says that the problem to this madness is a simple expanded diaphragm!!!....

that's it!!...so note to everyone else...DON'T USE methanol/iso propyl alchohol based carb cleaner!!!...i used the STP one in white bottle and this happened...so DON'T USE IT!!!!



and the diaphragm is so freaking expensive!!!
mind as well get a brand new carb while i'm at it...so f%$king stupid...

[Kerry]

the diaphragm is so freaking expensive!!!

$14.45 from Ron Ayers
$16.08 from BikeBandit



Maybe ask in the For Sale forum for a used 2001+ diaphragm or carb?