Huge Non PC post - Please leave your sensibilities at the door or stay out.

[The Buddha]

OK Israel is fighting in Gaza against muslim radicals. This is Jews Vs Muslims. And has been on since 1967 is the current format right.
India is fighting Radical islam militants or atleast investigating them from the attacks a month ago. Hindu's vs muslims from 1949 in the present format.
Needless to say US is fighting radical islam militants in Afghanisthan and Iraq. Basically Christians vs muslims since 2002.
The USSR did somehting similar but US supported the muslims then. Commies vs muslims from 1980-1988 or so.

So really are muslims the problem. Trust me, it takes a lot to offend a hindu into a fight thanks atleast in part to Gandhi.

Other than this, muslims are fighting with each other (sheites wanna kill sunni's and vice versa) and fighting Kurds.

That is lets count here, 3 billion Christians and jews, 1.5 billion commies, 1 billion Hindu's. 5.5 billion people. Isn't that Idiotic. How can you fight against every other religion in the world. If it was purely religious wont there be a massive christian vs Hindu or Jew vs Hindu or Buddhist vs christian or this or that.

The thing I have noticed about Islam is - if you dont agreed with their point of view, its natural to turn to terror. Its a natural extension of the religion (its in the Qu'ran - how to amass an army and how to do this or that) and as such it is in the case of a country its part of the constitution and part of their foreign policy. Plain and simple. You lose an argument cos your stand is incorrect and you should pull a gun and shoot the one that argued with you. That in a word sums it up.

BTW India has started a troop build up on the border with pakisthan after proving that Pakisthan's Intelligence agency had a part in the attacks in India causing pakisthan to pull its troops off the border with afghanisthan. The natural side effect of this was the strike that killed Al Qaida leaders hiding in Pakisthan. Getting pakisthan to remove troops from fighting terror in the afghanisthan area has advanced the cause of the US fight against Al Qaida. As in they were protecting them and now that they had to be deployed against India, the terrorists were left without cover.

In the case of Israel, I just hope they can re occupy Gaza and west bank, they seem to be the only country that is making serious gains in the fight against radical islam.

Cool.
Buddha.

[Weston]

I agree with alot of that.... as non PC as it is. Being PC is way overrated.

[The Buddha]

Political correctness is based upon a belieif that is fervently enforced by the media that believes that "it is possible to pick up a turd by its clean end".
I think that is someon's sig on sv650 forum.
Cool.
Buddha.

[jserio]

 

[The Buddha]

I must not have read it too good when I went there.
The whole text is -
'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.' 

Its the SV1000 site.
Cool.
Buddha.

[PuddleJumper]

Agreed 1000% Buddha.

I get a kick out of people who say we must negotiate with radical muslims.

It's impossible to negotiate a compromise with someone whose sole goal is to see you dead.

That's all they want. Period.

As bad as it sounds, the only choice is do you let them kill you? or do you chose to live?

BeSafe
PJ

[cafeboy]

Agreed 1000% Buddha.

I get a kick out of people who say we must negotiate with radical muslims.

It's impossible to negotiate a compromise with someone whose sole goal is to see you dead.

That's all they want. Period.

As bad as it sounds, the only choice is do you let them kill you? or do you chose to live?

BeSafe
PJ

+1000

[Toogoofy317]

Well, you know they think if they die in their Jihad that the will get 23 Virgins in the here after. What they forgot to tell them is that the Virgins will stay that way! Wouldn't that be a just punishment for the guys 23 hot girls they can never have.

Sorry, still drugged from my nine day hospital stay!

Mary

[yamahonkawazuki]

and people support the , radical muslims in this country, err in gaza that is. gripe about israel, yet say nothign about the people in gaza launging rockets INTO israeli cities, or their suicide bombers, err homicide bombers. some in certain groups in this country applaud them as heroes. the radicals want those who are not liek them , dead, and well it wil be a never ending fight. most muislims are fairly peaceable people as ar emost christians and most athiests etc. a very small percentage are the exact opposite. almost liek the 1% rule in biker gangs

[Cal Price]

Hmmm, interesting post. I agree with quite a lot. I don't agree that "muslims are the problem" I would say that organised religion is the problem, I mean when did atheists or agnostics invade anyone or start a crusade? The problem is people who are sure that they are right! They are the people that start jihad or crusades, people who are less than 100% cetain don't start wars do they?
India and Pakistan have been squaring-up to one another since Ghandi and Jinnah went for partition when they got the brits out in 1948, if it's not Kashmir or the Sihks it's some other point of friction, settle it with a best of five test match series (cricket) much more entertaining and cheaper than a nuclear war.On current form India should walk it so cheer up Buddha.

p.s. with a handle like Buddha, what about Buhdists? they seem to preach tolerance which is a great way to celebrate everyone else's festivals and as far as I am aware don't want to kill anybody, perhaps there is hope for religion after all, but probably not much. Atheism - one life - live it to the full 'cos there aint no more.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Hmmm, interesting post. I agree with quite a lot. I don't agree that "muslims are the problem" I would say that organised religion is the problem, I mean when did atheists or agnostics invade anyone or start a crusade? The problem is people who are sure that they are right! They are the people that start jihad or crusades, people who are less than 100% cetain don't start wars do they?
India and Pakistan have been squaring-up to one another since Ghandi and Jinnah went for partition when they got the brits out in 1948, if it's not Kashmir or the Sihks it's some other point of friction, settle it with a best of five test match series (cricket) much more entertaining and cheaper than a nuclear war.On current form India should walk it so cheer up Buddha.

p.s. with a handle like Buddha, what about Buhdists? they seem to preach tolerance which is a great way to celebrate everyone else's festivals and as far as I am aware don't want to kill anybody, perhaps there is hope for religion after all, but probably not much. Atheism - one life - live it to the full 'cos there aint no more.

see cal that seems to blame it on religion in general, but it seems as though a group, christians muslims etc , a small percaentage. not all religiopus ar eliek this. but many in the non religious communities seem to think otherwise. not saying you are this way. but it seems to be a general find on most forums or in many group discussions. most religious are going to be some odf the most compassionate peopel one could want to meet. same with the non religious. , but a select few seem to tarnish that image

[Weston]

Cal Price: It would be much easier to justify killing somone using atheistic beliefs than using Jesus' teaching. Anyone who actually understands Christianity will never start a crusade or anything like it. Violence and forcing religion isn't anywhere near what Christ taught.  Sooo.... yeah you can quit being afraid of us now 

[PuddleJumper]

I don't think anyone thinks Muslims are the problem. It's the Radical Muslims that are the problem.

they even kill their own if they make a mistake.

Besafe
PJ

[Cal Price]

Weston, I aint afraid, I just don't have much time for religion(s)
As an atheist i am quite prepared to believe that a man called Jesus existed and was a charismatic leader/teacher/preacher and I'm sure what he taught about the way we should behave towards one another was sensible, I have no argument with that. on the other hand look at what has been done by his so-called followers over the years, the evil and the harm done by "christians" as well as other religions as well.

Like I said, enjoy your life, you only get one.

[spc]

Anyone seen the Morgan Spurlock film: "Where in the world is Osama Bin Laden" ?  Though not the focus it definitely touches on the fact that most Muslims are very peaceful and considerate people.  It also has a segment with a group of Hassidic Jews attacking Morgan and his cameraman without provocation before Israeli 5-0 breaks things up.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Weston, I aint afraid, I just don't have much time for religion(s)
As an atheist i am quite prepared to believe that a man called Jesus existed and was a charismatic leader/teacher/preacher and I'm sure what he taught about the way we should behave towards one another was sensible, I have no argument with that. on the other hand look at what has been done by his so-called followers over the years, the evil and the harm done by "christians" as well as other religions as well.

Like I said, enjoy your life, you only get one.

his so called followers, NOT FOLLOWING. all groups of believers, and non believers have done this. most who follow a teaching of one religion or another, will not do these horrible things. you may not have time for religion, that ill respect. but amny of us do. those of us whom are religios as far as i know arent killing anyone or starting wars, so that basically kills the religios  are responsible for...  line. like weston said, radical ( insert group of believer/non believer here) religious, and onn religious radicals have started wars, and athiests too. but we all as human beings, can live by one of gods teachings, and do well to do so. love one another.  ( and no not in a sexual nature either. lol)

[BeerGarage]

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[BassCliff]

Hi,

This is just one of those "pass around" emails that you sometimes get.  I don't know a thing about the origin but the point is quite accurate and astute.  I've edited it just a bit to take out the "send this email to everyone you know" parts.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

********Begin Quoted Material**********

German friend of mine sent this to me, thought it a good read....

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life. Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and remains silent is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and pass this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and pass it on before it's too late. 
   

[PuddleJumper]

So true.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
                                                                                              Edmund Burke.


" If you know you are going to be in a gun fight, Make sure you have it in the other guys house"
                                                                                               Louis L'Amour

BeSafe
PJ

[lilwoody]

It not the religon itself that is a problem. It's the manipulation of religon for political gain and personal power that is the problem. It's weak minded people clinging to the hope that Osama, Obama, your priest, a cleric, a oman, a shaman or any one of a thousand other shills can fill the empty spot that seems to be in nearly everyone. What better way than to convince them they and they alone will be going to the happy hunting ground and all others are inferior sloped headed dolts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not aginst spirtuality. What I am dead set aginst is the holier than thou crowd that looks down on those who do not believe the same as them. The being that set our little experiment on Earth in motion could not be nearly as intolerant as these clowns make it out to be. These snake oil salesmen just keep their flocks on a leash with a very simple con. Things will be better when your dead if you kill this or donate that or build another thing for me...errr God/Allah/Johova/Kalie/Oden/Zuse/the Great Pumpkin.