I just had the pleasure of trying on a Mesh Alpinestar jacket and man am i disapointed. The material is so thin and porous that i think its only slightly better than just wearing a denim jacket. In all honesty who wears mesh and do you really feel safe in it?
I wear mesh occasionally.
And I have reasonable expectations as to its protection.
how many feet do you think it last on a slide?
I wear mesh all the time during the summer. I crashed in 2005 wearing a mesh jacket. It held up enough to be used again for a while afterwards (albeit with a little bit of sewing) after an 80 foot slide. Mesh is surprisingly durable.
I expect.... 40-60 feet safely... anything after that is a toss up.
whoa...thats some engineering then.
4c
Quote from: banner on August 18, 2006, 05:04:44 PM
I just had the pleasure of trying on a Mesh Alpinestar jacket and man am i disapointed. The material is so thin and porous that i think its only slightly better than just wearing a denim jacket. In all honesty who wears mesh and do you really feel safe in it?
I wear mesh and I feel safe in it. I would defintely prefer to wear leather, and I probably will when it gets cold, but it's too hot in the summer and I'm not riding without SOME kind of protection. :thumb:
i wear mesh, an proud of it lol. when its really hot theres no other jacket that im gonna force myself to wear other than mesh. when it gets a lil cooler i always wear leather.
Summer time I always wear my mesh jacket. Did a highside last year and it held up fine, the padding and armor i the jacket will hold up much better than denim. When the weather gets cooler then it's time for leather or textile.
I have a black mesh thong...oops, wrong forum.
I have a mesh jacket that I purchased when I bought the bike. I like it. It is a FirstGear all black one. Though I haven't worn in in many months. I am one of those T-Shirt guys.
Quote from: scratch on August 18, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
I have a black mesh thong...oops, wrong forum.
does that provide good airflow???
I wear my mesh jacket when it's gonna be 80+.
It gets way too hot with only a t-shirt
My leather jacket comes out when it's gonna be under 70
wow..that makes me one of the only leather always guys?
Even textile i don't trust.....
but then again i live in san diego...it rarely goes above 85 here.. :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
Quote from: banner on August 18, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
wow..that makes me one of the only leather always guys?
Even textile i don't trust.....
but then again i live in san diego...it rarely goes above 85 here.. :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
My Mesh goes on as soon as it hits 75 or 80. Maybe we have more humidity, but I enjoy being cool. Like I said though, everyone that mesh surprises them with how durable it is after they crash. This is, of course, provided that the jacket has good armor and a high denier of matieral, and is of a reputable (and non-Joe Rocket) name.
df3
Thats a really good point..
Here in sd its long highway commutes at relatively high speeds(70-90) so the chance of a long slide happening are pretty high. The mesh jackets seem to come with really heavy duty (LARGE) armor so it definately would help in terms of impact protection.
Easy riding :)
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on August 19, 2006, 12:36:47 AM
and is of a reputable (and non-Joe Rocket) name.
WTF is wrong with Joe Rocket!
Quote from: TragicImage on August 18, 2006, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: scratch on August 18, 2006, 07:12:16 PM
I have a black mesh thong...oops, wrong forum.
does that provide good airflow?
In the right places, even under leather.
Quote from: banner on August 18, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
wow..that makes me one of the only leather always guys?
Even textile i don't trust.....
but then again i live in san diego...it rarely goes above 85 here.. :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
Yeah, you wouldn't be saying that if you lived in the southeast. 98 degrees and outrageous humidity = heatstroke in leather. I don't even like to ride with my JR mesh/textile alter ego gear.
I have a Tecnic mesh with "padding" and a TourMaster mesh with CE armor.
I have as much confidence in the TourMaster as any road going jacket. I think the grade of armor on a mesh is probably more important than the same issue on a good leather.
It is also more comfortable since it is preshaped to riding position.
I ride in mesh 10 months of the year.
The stitching on Joe Rocket gear has a tendency to come unraveled. Mine has been repaired in multiple places.
Yeah. The Joe Rocket gear has issues with stitching and material quality. My father has a Joe Rocket jacket and the stitching is already loose all over the entire jacket.
The stitching on my JR is pretty good. I guess they have qc problems, which is typical if made overseas.
When I did a lot of hwy driving, my leather jacket was comfortable in the summer, but here in PA, 90 degrees is considered a heatwave. Now that I ride mostly suburban roads (50mph is over the speed limit) i like wearing my JR mesh.
Chris
I have a Cortech GX Air jacket which I was wearing when I lowsided 2 weeks ago. I didn't slide on the road long but I did hit it pretty hard and spend some time rolling through high weeds on the side of the road. The only damage was grass stains and minimal scuffs on the elbows where I hti the ground hard. The CE armor did a fantastic job protecting me and I would be happy to have it on even if I did crash on a highway. It has strategic leather parts over crash points and I think they would be fantastic in a crash.
Quote from: Unnamed on August 21, 2006, 05:59:21 PM
I have a Cortech GX Air jacket which I was wearing when I lowsided 2 weeks ago. I didn't slide on the road long but I did hit it pretty hard and spend some time rolling through high weeds on the side of the road. The only damage was grass stains and minimal scuffs on the elbows where I hti the ground hard. The CE armor did a fantastic job protecting me and I would be happy to have it on even if I did crash on a highway. It has strategic leather parts over crash points and I think they would be fantastic in a crash.
Sweet. Hopefully I won't have to test it out as well. I ordered this jacket about 6 weeks ago and should be able to actually try it on and wear it early next month :mad:
Quote from: Unnamed on August 21, 2006, 05:59:21 PM
I have a Cortech GX Air jacket which I was wearing when I lowsided 2 weeks ago. I didn't slide on the road long but I did hit it pretty hard and spend some time rolling through high weeds on the side of the road. The only damage was grass stains and minimal scuffs on the elbows where I hti the ground hard. The CE armor did a fantastic job protecting me and I would be happy to have it on even if I did crash on a highway. It has strategic leather parts over crash points and I think they would be fantastic in a crash.
+1 I had my GX Air on when I did a complete front flip over my handlebars onto the ground, a week ago today. Not a scratch on me or the jacket. Some bruising, and I'm limping a bit, but in less than a week, I should be fine.
j7g
Stitching issues could be said for about all manufacturers, we have Teknic, JR, HJC, Alpinestars, Firstgear and Fieldsheer in our closet and of all the ones needing repair it's the Teknic. I think it depends largely on the wear and tear you put on your gear, proper storage and care...you take care of it it takes care of you. My husband and I ride in really HOT weather and even perf'd leather is MISERABLE!
I have two JR mesh jackets, one is over 6 years old and I haven't had a single issue with it. I will say one thing for JR, they have more reflective material on their gear than most.
Just my two cents...take it for what its worth. :)
Anyone paying attention to this thread have thoughts on the Alpinestars T-Stune 2 Air-Flo Jacket? I need to pick up a jacket and this thing should be pretty usable through out most of the year with the liner that comes with.
Pres589 I had that jacket. I traded it for the Spinner in leather. It costed me 1/2 the price too!
That jacket doesn't really seem comparable, and how were you able to get the thing for less than the T-Stunt when they run for about $100 more?
Hey Wrecent. Check out the GX-Air. Great jacket, very similar. Available (I believe) in all black, a black/white or a black/silver combo. I went black white, but black/silver would go well with your bike (we have the exact same bike).
Quote from: banner on August 18, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
wow..that makes me one of the only leather always guys?
Even textile i don't trust.....
but then again i live in san diego...it rarely goes above 85 here.. :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
me too. even on the hottest days. I've ridden when its been well over 100F (like a few weeks ago). and when its been as cold as 27F (angeles crest). always leather.
Wrecent - That jacket is a Joe Rocket pseudo. See if you can get a hold of a Fieldsheer Mach 2 jacket. They have velcro armstraps at the forearms and biceps, come in all black construction, CE armor all around, and part leather construction.
The Mach 1 and Mach 2 were far superior to my Mach 3.
Quote from: Wrecent_Wryder on August 22, 2006, 03:12:27 PM
Anyone seen anything similar, but maybe with sleeve straps?
this is somewhat similar with a strap
http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Joe_Rocket_Reactor_2.0_Jacket--521-JR-1.html
(http://www.kneedraggers.com/image_storage/8/e8/8e8234b9843abee67c55f6af7a65b707_rough.jpg)
and this is what i have, it is similar but no leather, abut it has two straps, and it secures very nicely, i have had no problems with it
http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Joe_Rocket_Phoenix_4.0_Textile_Jacket--521-JR-10.html
(http://www.kneedraggers.com/image_storage/c/9e/c9e467616ed19364a3242525b18c3497_rough.jpg)
h76
Well, I may be getting a new tail when I can afford it (Black '06 tail, woohoo!) since my tail's kinda farked up after my crash last week. As is my back. :laugh:.
I wear (or wore - my bike just got stolen) a Joe Rocket mesh jacket. I haven't crashed in it so I don't know how it would hold up but I feel safer wearing that than no jacket. I have leathers for cooler weather, but can't even look at leather when it's over 85 degrees.
yea. i have a MOTO GP mesh. 3 layers of awesomeness. I wear it all year round. But I been noticing lots of guys out there with those back armors and arm guards? do those provide the same protection as mesh? Because I tired one of those things on and it breaths so much better than mesh on those 100+ days here in central CA
I can get you a spinner leather jacket, brand new w/tags, for 150+ shipping... u can have any color and size as long as its 3xl in black. I got the large xl in red.
Quote from: plusultra on August 23, 2006, 11:11:59 AM
I can get you a spinner leather jacket, brand new w/tags, for 150+ shipping... u can have any color and size as long as its 3xl in black. I got the large xl in red.
That's a hell of a deal, and I might be interested in that come October, but right now the highs are hitting 100 around here and I think I need a medium sized jacket; my suit size is a 38 Long, looking at the sizing charts with Alpinestars I think that's medium terrirory.
Who wears short shorts?????????
That's the real question :cookoo:
i always where my Suzuki Racing* . leathers . mesh i dont believe will hold up compaired to cow skin :thumb:
Yeah but you didn't answer the real question:
Quote from: spcterry on July 13, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
Who wears short shorts?????????
That's the real question :cookoo:
Quote from: spcterry on July 13, 2007, 06:15:40 PM
Yeah but you didn't answer the real question:
Jeans at minimum. Others will disagree, but jeans will help in a low speed accident.
Did your jacket come in yet?
Nope, UPS says monday :thumb: :thumb: My K&N's should be here then, too.
tourmaster intake year round. it's already getting into the 110 degrees in the sun which would definitely not be comfortable with out air flow.
Jeans won't do jack squat in a low speed accident unless you mean 'low speed' to mean 5 mph and below. I know this because I have crash tested them on pavement and asphalt many, many times.
I used to rollerblade (doing tricks, racing down hills and jumping stairs) all over campus back in college wearing a pair of thick 'skater' jeans (the ones with the big pant legs so that you can wear pads under them). When I fell, I would routinely have scrapes, burns and cuts UNDER my jeans or through them.... and this is at speeds of ~15-30 mph.
Don't kid yourself. The jeans I had were fairly thick... most jeans you get at the department store are thinner, looser weaves of denim which rip just as easily as a pair of khakis.
Jeans = no protection. If you fall off your bike wearing jeans, then I guarantee that the jeans will be in better shape than your skin when all is said and done.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 13, 2007, 06:52:31 PM
Jeans at minimum. Others will disagree, but jeans will help in a low speed accident.
Did your jacket come in yet?
Quote from: TarzanBoy on July 14, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
Jeans won't do jack squat in a low speed accident unless you mean 'low speed' to mean 5 mph and below. I know this because I have crash tested them on pavement and asphalt many, many times.
I used to rollerblade (doing tricks, racing down hills and jumping stairs) all over campus back in college wearing a pair of thick 'skater' jeans (the ones with the big pant legs so that you can wear pads under them). When I fell, I would routinely have scrapes, burns and cuts UNDER my jeans or through them.... and this is at speeds of ~15-30 mph.
Don't kid yourself. The jeans I had were fairly thick... most jeans you get at the department store are thinner, looser weaves of denim which rip just as easily as a pair of khakis.
Jeans = no protection. If you fall off your bike wearing jeans, then I guarantee that the jeans will be in better shape than your skin when all is said and done.
Yeah, I guess all MY experience is just crap compared to your vast knowledge, since EVERYTHING you say is right and no one else matters (or at least you seem to think so).
You'll have small rub marks, yeah, but it'd be far worse if your skin hit pavement directly. I can vouch for BOTH of those situations, and I have the scars to prove it.
Quote from: AlphaFire X5 on July 14, 2007, 01:15:22 AM
Yeah, I guess all MY experience is just crap compared to your vast knowledge, since EVERYTHING you say is right and no one else matters (or at least you seem to think so).
You'll have small rub marks, yeah, but it'd be far worse if your skin hit pavement directly. I can vouch for BOTH of those situations, and I have the scars to prove it.
In this case, yes. Your experience is crap compared to my knowledge. I stand by what I said. Jeans won't do anything for you at speeds above 5 mph (which is pretty much a standstill).
P.S. I don't care how much experience you have or how cantankerous you get (which I see a lot more of from you these days during my few visits to this board). If you're wrong, then you're wrong (and you are definitely wrong about jeans).
I have torn through good jeans and gotten rashed on a concrete basketball court. I wasn't even on a bike, I was playing basketball. They are not thick enough or durable enough to do anything to protect you in an accident unless you land on your leather wallet.
Quote from: spcterry on July 13, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
Who wears short shorts?????????
That's the real question :cookoo:
You're just all about thread resurrection this week.
I wear a Fieldsheer mesh (johnny cool) and its great, and quality stitching ...
I used to wear joe rocket mesh, sold it after 3 months of use, did not feel the stitching where all that great, smake for a mesh SHIFT jacket I bought and sold in the same month (mostly because teh mesh seemed VERY thin, compared to fieldsheer or joe rocket that is).. I wear leather perforated jacket under 80'F.
Quote from: spcterry on July 13, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
Who wears short shorts?????????
That's the real question :cookoo:
this answer the question ?
(http://www.sportbikez.net/bikepics/medium/1177654534.jpg)
(http://www.sportbikez.net/bikepics/medium/1177651515.jpg)
OMG.........A squid has never looked sexier :o
I have a Coretech HRX jacket, its a Leather/textile mesh hybrid, fits very good and is very cool. Here in South Florida it is now 11am and it is already 89 degrees out. If I was to wear leather I would pass out by the second stoplight! Mesh may not be as strong as leather but it is stronger the skin. Period.