Quote from: Toogoofy317 on June 21, 2012, 09:49:30 PM
And where is your proof to back this up? Ever ride around a military base? Lots of riders have their Hi-Vis military spec vest on and ride like complete jerk wads. Give me some hard statistics to back it up verses confirmation bias!

Would this be US military bases where wearing hi-vis is a requirement for being allowed to ride on base? In that case observation of their riding behaviour is immediately invalidated, because you can no longer distinguish those that choose to wear hi-vis from those that are forced to wear it.

You need to get over your obsession with statistics, they will always be twisted to match the bias of whoever is creating them, or whoever wants to use them to achieve a specific outcome. ie Statistics are utter bullshit

why is there no 'eating popcorn and watching' smiley?

i'll just pretend i put it in here 

Quote from: Janx101 on June 27, 2012, 09:08:04 PM
why is there no 'eating popcorn and watching' smiley?

i'll just pretend i put it in here 

what the ... where the .... sigh ...

Statistics mean a lot ~ they are a unit of measure which can be very helpful. Statistics taken out of context can be misleading though. 

Quote from: SAFE-T on October 02, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
Statistics mean a lot ~ they are a unit of measure which can be very helpful. Statistics taken out of context can be misleading though.

Yes because 42% of statistics are made up on the spot (ha ha).

Most of your bike is level with car hoods, so the flashy paint job could go unnoticed. Your body extends above the cartops and is the best billboard you've got.  Some of the big bikers have such mad skills that they don't really concern themselves with safety and stick almost exclusively to black leather. As an added plus for them, we recently repealed the helmet law here in Michigan. WHOOHOO! Been there, done that, high speed crashes with asphalt and pickup trucks. I couldn't afford a full helmet back then, and have chin scars to remind me. My wife laughed at me when I bought a lime-green mesh vest to cover my Joe Rocket jacket with body armor, but I've got the best odds available. Am going to trade in my full coverage tribal helmet for plain white FC helmet sometime soon.  If/when the day comes to do the Iron Butt, I'll probably get a full suit like yours.  Ride to live, live to ride again.

I would assume the high vis gear designed to be seen over an orange color bike.

My vote goes to, in that order:
1. Hi-viz jacket and helmet
2. Hi-viz helmet only
3. Hi-viz jacket only
Distant 4. Flashy bike

I see a rare few 1's on my commute from SF to Sunnyvale, a few more 3's, even more 2's, and a lot more 4's. The only ones who stand out reliably from any angle are 1's and 2's. The ones with hi-viz jackets only are sometimes harder to see, especially from the front if they have two low beams or ride with their high beams on. As for the 4's, the bike itself is all too often lost in the sea of metal on 101 or 280 at rush hour. As for me, I'm full neon gear (#1) with a silver '99 GS (aftermarket paint job) and I do get my share of last-minute aborts from cars preparing lane changes, presumably because they see me well.

Also, as the days get shorter, don't forget to augment your hi-viz helmet with hi-viz reflective decals!

Quote from: jestercinti on October 02, 2012, 05:11:51 PM

Quote from: SAFE-T on October 02, 2012, 02:23:07 PM
Statistics mean a lot ~ they are a unit of measure which can be very helpful. Statistics taken out of context can be misleading though.

Yes because 42% of statistics are made up on the spot (ha ha).

Actually, it's 47.6%

Quote from: NesquikNinja on June 17, 2012, 04:39:04 PMI realize hivis only does a little bit for you....but the odds are so far against us out the road, every little bit helps.

I haven't read the 30 or so posts in this thread, so forgive me if the question has already been answered.

The hurt report showed that high visibility clothing (bright colors, including white and orange) was under-represented in motorcycle accidents, while bike color didn't seem to make much of a difference. Jacket color is significantly more important than pant color. Helmet color is also important.

Victorian government in Australia are trying to make hi vis clothing compulsory. Seems extremely stupid since helmets are the only thing you legally have to wear. If they wanted to start on safety seriously instead of band aid solutions (I'm not pro or con hi vis, data is not conclusive) then they would start by doing simple stuff. Mandate people are covered head to toe. So at the least people wear close shoes, long pants, long sleeves and gloves. Later you upgrade that to approved bike gear compulsory and a riding course minimum every 5 years for a brush up of skills. Straight to hi vis to me is horse before cart stuff.

Ah... hiviz makes fewer appearances in crashes.... can either mean....

- People who wear hiviz ride in a certain style that shows them to be less likely invovled in a crash
- Do not ride on weekends when many bike crashes happen
- people mistake them for police and that Pause before realizing they were not cops is enough to prevent a crash
- it makes them more visible and thus people don't crash into them

Strange considering Most motorcycle crashes are single vehicle crashes.

The other day I saw 3 drunk men and they were Spanish. I conclude all drunks a spanish or all spanish are drunk. Must be true, stats don't lie. 

Michael

I have been hit twice by cars while wearing full head to toe hi-vis clothing. Makes no difference whether you wear it or not if the driver is an idiot?

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/inattentionalblindness.html

That article was great. Loved the part where they made the police cars as obvious as possible and they got hit more.